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"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution." — Albert Einstein (discuss)


Courses with no contentEdit

  • There are many courses that have no or very little content. Some of these should be completed, deleted, or at least fleshed out. Its just dishonest to show a course that really does not exist. Who else feels this way? Is there any consensus on any action? [User:AgentCachet] (discusscontribs) 04:02, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
    • Yes, I think there is agreement that we have many pages with little or no content, some of which were intended to be courses. All of them should be completed or deleted. You are welcome to complete those that interest you. You can add {{subst:prod}} to propose deletion of any that show little interest by others and little activity. Use Wikiversity:Statistics/2016/05 or View history / Page Views to determine interest, and View history to determine activity. Note that there is already an effort in place to review topics (Wikiversity:Topic Review), categories (Wikiversity:Category Review), and schools (Wikiversity:School Review). Please help wherever you can. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:02, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
    • I very strongly disagree with this. Just a basic syllabus/course outline with little to no actual content can still be extremely useful to both educators and students. Removing incomplete courses will do more harm than good to Wikiversity. I should also add that inactivity should never be a factor, since volunteers will come and go, and courses can always be finished in the indefinite future, whereas a deletion will only ensure that the course will never be completed. Another factor to consider is that having incomplete courses actually encourages more volunteers to contribute to Wikiversity since there is a clear need for contributions. Nicole Sharp (discusscontribs) 18:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

grading systemEdit

  • I think what might be helpful would be a Wikibooks-style grading system for courses, so that users can easily find courses by their level of completion. The lowest tier for a course would be same as the start of any college course, i.e. just a syllabus/outline. A simple outline can then be expanded section by section, until the sections/lessons become large enough to be their own courses, and then the course becomes a department, and so on. Nicole Sharp (discusscontribs) 19:31, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
See Category:Completed resources. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Just FYI but several of us use what we call dynamic courses or course structure. In short, it means the course is completed as found and is expanding as well as more resource material is added. Principles of radiation astronomy is a completed course but is not in the Category:Completed resources, for example. It is a complete semester style course for advanced undergraduates or graduate students, but undergoes changes with semesters. This fall has several lectures and laboratories replaced by newer ones. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 23:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

JavaScriptEdit

Hi. I can see that this project has old JavaScript that needs to be updated. I would happily make the required updates myself, but I would have to – at least temporarily – become an admin here to do that (because the relevant pages are in the MediaWiki namespace). I have already made these updates on a number of other projects, so it would be very easy for me to do this. If no one does anything, some JavaScript-related tools will break later this year. If you want me to make these updates, you can grant me admin rights and I will make the updates as soon as I can. Nirmos (discusscontribs) 22:06, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Please point to what needs to be updated and the code you have on another project that is already working. That will be an easier approach here. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Community support/vote to create the "autopatrolled", "patroller" usergroupEdit

While we certainly need some policies to go along with this, creating a new usergroup for what we've been calling "probationary custodians" would really be a good idea. The usergroup should be defined as having exactly the same permissions as custodians, but allowing for local removal. Let's get it done. This usergroup could be assigned by current "full" custodians, and taken away by current "full" custodians. In other words: a custodian who has been approved by the community can give and take away access to the "buttons" that we use to solve problems on the wiki:

"Group rights for autopatrolled"

autopatrol

"Group rights for patroller"

autopatrol

patrol

rollback

User rights. 188.32.98.235 (discuss) 03:16, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

See Wikiversity:Curators. Autopatrolled isn't included, but so far there hasn't been anyone willing to patrol. Also note that probationary custodianship is no longer an option. Per WMF Legal, users may not have Undelete rights unless approved by the community. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
@Dave Braunscheig: autopatrolled, patrolled user group rights not yets on user rights not created. 188.32.98.235 (discuss) 06:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Not created. 188.32.99.5 (discuss) 11:33, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Two new errors on the "Rodger's method" entryEdit

I have just noticed two errors that were not previously present. Both begin with "Failed to parse (MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.")"

To my knowledge, no changes were made to the text, and I need some help to figure out what is causing these errors and how to fix them. Thanks.

HamiltonRoberts (discusscontribs) 20:23, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

On the More menu at the top of the page, there is an option to Purge. This forces the server to reprocess page rendering. That seems to resolve the issue. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:58, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Dave for your very quick and helpful response. I certainly wasn't expecting such an easy way to remove those two error messages! HamiltonRoberts (discusscontribs) 02:04, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

coursera and courses...Edit

I came to know the coursera is removing their online courses. I read it here. It'd be cool to have those courses running here on wikiversity. I am not a computer geek or somthing like that. Just that, if it's possible, then it'd be great if some people could work on this. Also, it'd be lot cooler if wikiversity could work more on moocs. I don't know but I had heard moocs are also released on creative commons license. Just saying that adding other courses from other places'd make wikiversity great.

Thanks, if you read it. Cheers from Nepal. :) :) --Learnerktm (discusscontribs) 14:01, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know. Some MOOCs are licensed through Creative Commons, but they have to be found somewhere other than Coursera. Their site has an explicit copyright with all rights reserved. One of the Coursera courses I took is available elsewhere through a CC-BY-SA license, and I'm currently using that one to develop Python Programming. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:36, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Academic works translations needed before wikimaniaEdit

Hi,

I've finished a French academic work named Ethical drift with in Wikimedia movement and I will finish soon a other one named For a better economic justice with in the Wikimedia movement. I would like to translate this two works in English before Wikimania for sharing the contain with the whole community and maybe inspire discussion during the week. I didn't have time and competence to do it my self before Wikimania. Is that in this forum any person who can help me, starting translation or pointing a place where I can found this kind of help ? Thanks in advance Lionel Scheepmans Contact (French native speaker) 15:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Google Translate does a surprisingly good job with both articles. Go with that and you probably don't need any additional assistance. Just read it through and make sure it still says what you intend. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:14, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
@Lionel Scheepmans: En Meta, avec Metawikie'ns francos: Category:Translators_fra-eng. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:03, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks,Dave Braunschweig and Justin I gone check this. Lionel Scheepmans Contact (French native speaker) 20:06, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Ok, never mine. I've found a trick system to present my works in english thanks to google : For a Fair Economy in the Wikimedia movement and Ethical Drifts in the Wikimedia movement. A nice day for every one. Lionel Scheepmans Contact (French native speaker) 21:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Compact Language Links enabled in this wiki todayEdit

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Compact Language Links has been available as a beta-feature on all Wikimedia wikis since 2014. With compact language links enabled, users are shown a much shorter list of languages on the interlanguage link section of an article (see image). Based on several factors, this shorter list of languages is expected to be more relevant for them and valuable for finding similar content in a language known to them. More information about compact language links can be found in the documentation.

From today onwards, compact language links has been enabled as the default listing of interlanguage links on this wiki. However, using the button at the bottom, you will be able to see a longer list of all the languages the article has been written in. The setting for this compact list can be changed by using the checkbox under User Preferences -> Appearance -> Languages

The compact language links feature has been tested extensively by the Wikimedia Language team, which developed it. However, in case there are any problems or other feedback please let us know on the project talk page. It is to be noted that on some wikis the presence of an existing older gadget that was used for a similar purpose may cause an interference for compact language list. We would like to bring this to the attention of the admins of this wiki. Full details are on this phabricator ticket. Thank you. On behalf of the Wikimedia Language team:--Runab WMF (discusscontribs) 07:43, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Beta features Although it's nice to get new features and good that users have more options for display and such, it's not really that important when this project has the least interwiki options of any WMF project... —Justin (koavf)TCM 13:52, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
What interwiki options are there that we could have and do not have? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 00:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Open call for Project GrantsEdit

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Greetings! The Project Grants program is accepting proposals from July 1st to August 2nd to fund new tools, research, offline outreach (including editathon series, workshops, etc), online organizing (including contests), and other experiments that enhance the work of Wikimedia volunteers. Whether you need a small or large amount of funds, Project Grants can support you and your team’s project development time in addition to project expenses such as materials, travel, and rental space.

Also accepting candidates to join the Project Grants Committee through July 15.

With thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) 15:21, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

IMPORTANT: Admin activity reviewEdit

Hello. A new policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, etc) was adopted by global community consensus in 2013. According to this policy, the stewards are reviewing administrators' activity on smaller wikis. To the best of our knowledge, your wiki does not have a formal process for removing "advanced rights" from inactive accounts. This means that the stewards will take care of this according to the admin activity review.

We have determined that the following users meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no log actions for more than 2 years):

  1. Countrymike (administrator)

These users will receive a notification soon, asking them to start a community discussion if they want to retain some or all of their rights. If the users do not respond, then their advanced rights will be removed by the stewards.

However, if you as a community would like to create your own activity review process superseding the global one, want to make another decision about these inactive rights holders, or already have a policy that we missed, then please notify the stewards on Meta-Wiki so that we know not to proceed with the rights review on your wiki. Thanks, Rschen7754 02:10, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Does the community have any interest in creating a local policy? If we were to change it, I personally would advocate for a policy requiring some type of actual administrative activity on an annual basis. From Wikiversity:Staff, that would mean that User:Countrymike, User:Darklama, User:Geoff Plourde, User:HappyCamper, User:Juandev, User:MichaelBillington, User:SB Johnny, User:Thenub314, and User:WiseWoman would need to participate administratively somehow to maintain their role. Please note that I am not trying to remove rights from anyone. Quite the contrary, I'd like to have users with administrative rights participate more often in support of that effort. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:14, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
If persons are not using their rights, then there is no problem, is there? --WiseWoman (discusscontribs) 21:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
There are at least two problems with custodians not using their rights. First, Wikiversity:Support staff is somewhat misleading, in that users looking for support are given the impression that we have 19 people available to help them, when realistically there are only five or so who are regularly active, and even fewer who actually use their rights on a regular basis. Second is the workload left to those who are active. Please participate! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:50, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
To complement the aforementioned analysis of the disadvantages of custodians not losing rights, we need to consider the consequences of doing the opposite. How long would it take for a custodian to regain their rights if the sole reason for losing them is inactivity. Perhaps we maintain a list of such people so that these rights could be restored in a day or two?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:12, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Rights can be restored as quickly as a bureaucrat responds. We currently have one semi-active bureaucrat. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:56, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Then to answer your question, I see no reason to have a different local policy.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 03:10, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
And does the restoration follow the policies? Could it be restored even 6 months after?--Juandev (discusscontribs) 15:16, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure what meta's restore policy is, but it would seem to me that a request to restore rights to resume custodian activities could be approved without additional discussion, unless the bureaucrat had concerns and wanted community approval first. Time since active wouldn't matter. The desire to be active again would be more important from my perspective. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:44, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Another source for people-powered researchEdit

See here This platform provides opportunities for individuals to engage in first-hand research and it has an overlapping mission with Wikiversity. Maybe we can collaborate? Co-host material? Does anyone have thoughts? —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:38, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

I have looked at the site and worked through one of their Mars exercises. It was fun and informative. At the least I could add urls to the site for others to enjoy. I'm not sure if they have direct computer access that allows dynamic calculations or not. If so they may be interested in hosting programming courses that so far we would need to go to the tool labs to try. I haven't made any direct contact with anyone there as yet. Perhaps you'd like to give it a shot? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 23:06, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Grant submission for OpenCon 2016Edit

Here is a links to the grant page. All the best Lionel Scheepmans Contact (French native speaker) 11:21, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikiversity surveyEdit

Hello Everybody, I'm a French student and I'm currently writing a dissertation about Wikiversity's interface design and community. I need Wikiversity editors' input to complete a short 19-question survey in English. All in all it will benefit the WV community and help promote it. I 'd like to thank you for your help, (link below to access survey) https://www.sondageonline.fr/s/questionnaire-wikiversite

--PlymouthCad (discusscontribs) 18:41, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I have taken the survey. My apologies if I have done something wrong in the survey. Thanks! ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 22:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I want to learn FrenchEdit

--129.45.95.68 (discuss) 22:19, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Welcome! See Portal:French and DuoLingo. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:23, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
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