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"Education [...] is a process of living and not a preparation for future living." — John Dewey (discuss)

'Wikidata item' link is moving, finally.

Hello everyone, I previously wrote on the 27th September to advise that the Wikidata item sitelink will change places in the sidebar menu, moving from the General section into the In Other Projects section. The scheduled rollout date of 04.10.2024 was delayed due to a necessary request for Mobile/MinervaNeue skin. I am happy to inform that the global rollout can now proceed and will occur later today, 22.10.2024 at 15:00 UTC-2. Please let us know if you notice any problems or bugs after this change. There should be no need for null-edits or purging cache for the changes to occur. Kind regards, -Danny Benjafield (WMDE) 11:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Danny Benjafield (WMDE): I Just noticed your post above, and it is timely.

I have been participating in the English WikiUniversity for a few years, much less often recently. I seems like something in the way the site displays is different, but I cannot put my finger on it. Your posting gave me a clue. Can you please tell me where the link to wikidata items has moved to? Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 17:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Ottawahitech, sure, I would be happy to. The button/sitelink name didn't change, just its position. You should find it in the sidebar-menu under the section In other projects (where the links to all other Wikimedia Projects are displayed). If you do not see it, please reach out to us on the Move Wikidata item - Discussion page. Thank you, -Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (discuss • contribs) 09:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Danny Benjafield (WMDE), thank you for responding. I intend to followup on the Move Wikidata item - Discussion page as per your post above by putting it on my ever growing todo list.

I don't know about others on this wiki, as I said I have not been visiting here frequently, but for me the constant changes are a big distraction. I have been around wikimedia projects since 2007, so why do I have to spend so much time learning and re-learning how to find what I came here for? Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 16:41, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ottawahitech, thanks for you thoughts. Your input whether positive or critical helps us understand the impacts to editors so we welcome your further thoughts when you reach us in your To Do List :)

I can't speak about the other changes you've experienced here but I do hope they are made with a spirit of improvement for the community as a whole. -Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (discuss • contribs) 10:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@Danny Benjafield (WMDE):

Re: Your input whether positive or critical helps us understand the impacts to editors

Today I (finally) checked Move Wikidata item - Discussion page and discovered that it is a talkpage on META where, unfortunately, I am infinitely blocked, so cannot participate. Even so, I proceeded to try and see what others are saying and immediately came to the conclusion that the few who actually participated in that discussin viewed the change negatively. It must be disheartening for developers to meet such a hostile attitude from the community. Please don't take it personally, this is a common phenomena in wikimedia community wide discussions , IMIO.

I further checked the page view statistcics which showed there were only 828 pageviews in the last 90 days, and what's worse the page has "Fewer than 30 watchers".

Since your userpage on META says that you are the: "Community Communications Manager Wikidata Integrations Team", may I ask how this apparent apathy is being addressed by your own management?

I apologize if my post is not welcome on the Wikiversity:Colloquium, as i said I am a rather infrequent visitor to this wiki. I probably would not have followed up if you did not assure us that our feedback positive or negative is sought. Cheers, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 20:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Dear @Ottawahitech, I am so so sorry for leaving you on read for these last months, I have no excuse other than reading your comment and then getting lost before making a reply.

The team I am working with, Wikidata for Wikimedia Projects is a new development team, so I think management has allowed a certain amount of elbow room or leeway for us to make small changes whilst developing our confidence tackling the MediaWiki codebase with onboarding tasks that won't 'rock the boat' too much. We certainly expected some pushback or resistance to moving the Wikidata item as editors are so used to where it previously resided. Now it has been some time and hopefully the communities have gotten used to the change.

Please do not apologise, your comments are always welcome, critical or not, as a new team I think we certainly "fly under the radar" to an extent and I hope that changes as we continue to work on projects that deepen the integrations between Wikidata and the other sibling projects. Once again, my sincere apologies for the delay in this reply. -Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (discuss • contribs) 13:59, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Wikiversity - Newsletters

Hello All,

I wanted to create a newsletter on Wikiversity, which would highlight what is going on in certain months and events on Wikiversity; which would bolster engagement by many people. This would be on the website and would have its dedicated 'Newsletter' tab.

I hope you acknowledge this idea. RockTransport (discuss • contribs) 21:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@RockTransport, What sort of things do you plan to include in your newsletter? Will they be different than what is currently in Main Page/News? Just curious.

I am also wondering about your motive which I think is: to bolster engagement by many people. I am asking because I wonder if others who are currently active here also think this I is desirable? Have you asked them? Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 17:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Not yet, which was why I was asking this on the colloquium. I plan to include things that many people have created on Wikiversity over the month, as it is a monthly newsletter. It would be somewhere on the website here. It will be more frequent that the ones seen on Main Page/News. We will include people's resources to essentially promote them. RockTransport (discuss • contribs) 06:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@RockTransport, I Think what you are saying is that Main Page/News does not update frequently enough?

If this is the reason, why not start small by simply increasing the frequency of posting news on the main page, instead of trying to start a newsletter?

If there is more, can you articulate what else is missing. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 16:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I meant going to detail into topics covered in that month, rather than just giving a few points. RockTransport (discuss • contribs) 16:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

What sort of details did you have in mind? You can pick one of the links provided in Main Page/News to illustrate. cheers, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 15:29, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm thinking of the community entering their projects, and discussing those in the newsletter. It depends on what they want, though. There would be a dedicated page for giving the information about their projects RockTransport (discuss • contribs) 17:24, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I might start working on this soon, depending on the projects being created on Wikiversity. @Ottawahitech @Atcovi RockTransport (discuss • contribs) 18:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd recommend you start off with putting this under a userspace page (something like User:RockTransport/Wikiversity Newsletter), and drafting what you desire. Let us know once it's done, and the community can provide their input. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 18:30, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I will try and make one for this month. This is supposed to be a monthly newsletter, showcasing the different projects mentioned there. Users can put their projects, and we will document them on the newsletter. RockTransport (discuss • contribs) 18:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I am hoping for it to be released by January 2025. There's no rush to get it done; it's still in it's planning stage. RockTransport (discuss • contribs) 18:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I might be able to icnrease the frequency there, but it doesn't go into detail about these topics. RockTransport (discuss • contribs) 17:30, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Where you are going to get the audience for your website and Wikiversity newsletter? Juandev (discuss • contribs) 08:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

It's on Wikiversity, not on an outside platform. RockTransport (discuss • contribs) 13:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

The audience will be Wikiversity contributors. There will be a dedicated page for it on Wikiversity. RockTransport (discuss • contribs) 13:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @RockTransport, Just wondering if there is a progress on the wikiversity newsletter? Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 18:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

There is progress, I just need to find some topics to cover about. Rock Transport 😊 (Talk page) 18:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Also, if you wanted to see the work being done on the page, go to this page. I haven't worked on it that much lately, but I am constantly working on it. Rock Transport 😊 (Talk page) 18:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Degrees (Certificates (see below))

Why does Wikiversity not provide degrees? I know it was a promise to the Wikimedia Foundation in the Wikiversity project proposal. But anyway, why is that? Wikiversity is about opening doors, i.e., removing obstacles. So, what kind of an obstacle was a paper? Was a certain body of knowledge that you learned well?! Because Wikiversity is not accredited for that? Yes, and do we need official US accreditation? We cannot create our system so that the learners who learn here and would like to continue their science career have a recognizable degree they can continue? Juandev (discuss • contribs) 10:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

"I know it was a promise to the Wikimedia Foundation in the Wikiversity project proposal." Was it? Becoming a degree-granting institution is an extremely high bar in the United States, but what is even the point in becoming a degree-granting institution in... Malawi? Tonga? Somewhere else where the servers aren't located or the WMF aren't incorporated? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I ment certificates. The question is the recognazibility of a certificate. I am not talking here about equal certification, which is provided by governmental institucians to universities, rather on Wikiversity own certification, which might may advocate itself over the time. Juandev (discuss • contribs) 15:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

We could issue certificates in some residing in certain jurisdictions probably (?). To my knowledge, there is no legal prohibition federally against doing this in the USA as long as no misrepresentation happens. Although some states might prohibit it (?). Degrees are likely different (at least with respect to accreditation). Please let me know if you believe I am likely incorrect in my understanding. I asked an LLM this prompt, "is there any prohibition legally in USA for a DAO (decentralized autonomous organization or wiki community related to learning, teaching, and research) from issuing certifications or certificates to those who go through learning materials and educational resources that might be on a decentralized or nonprofit wiki that has an active community?" (i won't post the specific result, but I wrote and engineered that prompt myself). The LLM output seemed to indicate my understanding noted here is correct, but LLM's are sometimes wrong. what do you or others think about this? Michael Ten (discuss • contribs) 18:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

From the WMF Board (repeated at WV:WWIN):

"Wikiversity proposal not approved, but we will approve it if some changes are made... The board recommend rewriting the proposal to exclude credentials, exclude online-courses and clarify the concept of elearning platform."

That is, Wikiversity was prevented from creation until it was codified not to provide credentials. It is not just U.S. credentials, but credentials period.

I see you were around for the Reckoning, so I imagine you are aware of the potential consequences of challenging such a clear policy so explicitly. I worry the community would not withstand another round. Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 19:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

That said, I see nothing wrong with a cute badge of some sort (emulating barnstars) for completion of a resource (perhaps supervised/signed off by the resource creators). Even if there is no pretention of "credentials", who doesn't like a trophy? Tule-hog (discuss • contribs) 20:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Gamification is quite different than granting certificates and degrees. And even if Wikiversity grants certificates, half the battle is getting others to recognize the legitimacy of the certificate. Otherwise people will just think of Wikiversity as a diploma mill especially if this conversation steers towards purposely issuing certificates in far flung countries for the sole purpose of skirting around the rules. And that's something I don't want to be associated with if Wikiversity goes down that path. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 21:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Citation system

How is being maintained citation system on en.wv. I mean, is it completly the same as on English Wikipedia? Do we update it according to English Wikipedia? How we do that? Are the templates like Cite book based on Lua? I dont see any invoke word. Juandev (discuss • contribs) 16:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I was just working on references in WikiJournal Preprints/Mobility-aware Scheduling in Fog Computing: Analysis and Challenges. And I agree with you. The citation system is so outdated compared to en.wp. Just the fact that I have to do extra clicks to access {{cite journal}} is bizarre. Are there efforts to sync updates to the current citation version on en.wp? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 21:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Not mine, I am just wondering if there is an easy system how to take over citation aparatus. I havent investigated the citation system on English Wikipedia yet, but on the first glance it looks like a very complicated environment. So in the following days Ill be looking on it if its a way to overtake it or if it would be easier to create own citation system. Juandev (discuss • contribs) 22:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Proposal: citation templates for VisualEditor

@OhanaUnited pointed above, that they had a hard time to create citations via VisualEditor I believe. I think its because of missing map in MediaWiki:Cite-tool-definition.json (see also). And the question is, which citation templates the editor should list. So I would propose the same as on en.wp, i.e. Cite book, journal, news, and web. Juandev (discuss • contribs) 13:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I support those four templates (book, journal, news, web). Another part of me wonders if we should include other use cases like AV media, thesis and report. But they may have limited usage and will only clutter the screen. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 04:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Sure and thesis could be cited by Cite book. Juandev (discuss • contribs) 06:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested Custodian action. Juandev (discuss • contribs) 07:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Wikiversity Newsletter - Topics?

Hello, For the newsletter concept on Wikiversity, for Wikiversitans (which can be seen above), I was wondering if there were any recently added or updated resources on Wikiversity that this newsletter could add. Kind regards, Rock Rock Transport 😊 (Talk page) 18:13, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Wikiversity page view statistics

I remember seeing recent topics/threads here wondering about page view statistics for this project. So I wonder if anyone else here is as curious as I am about the following page view which compares wikiversity to other wikimedia projects https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/siteviews/?platform=all-access&source=pageviews&agent=user&range=latest-30&sites=all-projects cheers, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 20:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

It does look interesting, but I haven't viewed it in depth yet. Rock Transport 😊 (Talk page) 17:24, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Launching! Join Us for Wiki Loves Ramadan 2025!

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Deletion of talk pages

I wonder if there are any policies here that define when talkpages are deleted?

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 17:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm not too sure if there are any topics about this. Rock Transport 😊 (Talk page) 19:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Let me explain why I am asking about deletion:

I have recently posted a question on a WV talk-page. The page was empty when I arrived, so had to be created, or recreated as it turns out because when I tried to post I received this box that said the page had been deleted by @Guy vandegrift as a test page. I then Went ahead and recreated the page by posting at:

Wikiversity talk:Wikidebate/Guy vandegrift#Do we need dialogues?.

However a bit later I remembered a discussion on the English Wikiquote Village Pump which was started by a contributor who was active there a long time ago who apparently was looking for their own contributions. It turned out that the history of the contributions had disappeared when the page was deleted and then re-created by another contributor who's became, at least according to the View history, the "owner" of all the previous contributions. Here is the ENWQ-VP discussion: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Village_pump#Now_this_is_contrary_to_the_spirit_of_Wikipedia.

I believe deletions of old pages that seem unimportant to new users of the English Wikversity may become problematic in the future. I know that at least one new admin has been added in the last couple of years, but I am not sure how many of the experienced admins are still active, so I don't know who makes deletion decisions here.. History is crucial to maintain when people are no longeraround.

It would be nice for the ENWV-community to understand how and what files/contributions are deleted.

note: @Koavf @Juandev, @OhanaUnited as recent participants in the Colloquium I wonder if you have any knowledge to contribute?

Thanks advance, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 16:20, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

This project is generally pretty policy-lite, so deleting talk pages is probably ad hoc and left to best judgement. I have personally deleted one content page here but kept the talk page to document why it was deleted (this is common on en.wikt). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:47, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I was looking up some old history (2002) on the English Wikipedia associated with a particular user (Roadrunner) and happened to see a talk-page that was deleted in 2021 that this user had contributed content to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AImmediate_Action_Unit

This page is no longer public as a result of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Immediate_Action_Unit

So it appears that on the English Wikipedia talkpages were still being deleted along with their associated page as recently as 2021, I think? Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 19:52, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Please read Wikiversity:Deletions (especially WV:CSD) for the deletion of (talk) pages. No.8 of WV:CSD is specific for talk pages. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 23:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

@MathXplore, I think @Ottawahitech is referring to user talk pages (correct me if I'm wrong). Do we have any policies related to this? Rock Transport 😊 (Talk page) 08:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Wikiversity:Deletions (including WV:CSD) apply for all namespaces. Therefore, the same rule will be applied to user talk pages. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 11:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

@MathXplore, thanks for clarifying. Rock Transport 😊 (Talk page) 17:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

@Koavf, Thanks for this important tid-bit : I have personally deleted one content page here but kept the talk page to document why it was deleted (this is common on en.wikt).

This is a great habit IMIO. Do you happen to know if other WV-admins know how to not delete a talk-page when they delete its counterpart? Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 20:05, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know that they do, but it's a fairly simple process when you're deleting pages. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:26, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Research Guidelines for the new Wiki of Government Efficiency

User:Jaredscribe/Department_of_Government_Efficiency

Before I move this original research project to mainspace, I invite a colloquy on my proposed Research_Guidelines_and_Scholarly_Ethics, and will entertain suggested improvements.

All may constructively contribute; those who do so competently, are invited to edit after they declare and disclose. User_talk:Jaredscribe/Department_of_Government_Efficiency#Declare_your_Interests_and_Disclose_Potential_Conflicts

Thanks in advance for your consideration and informed opinions on how to make this work. Jaredscribe (discuss • contribs) 07:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Mentors

With respect to this, may I return, and if so, could I get a mentor? Username142857 (discuss • contribs) 17:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Username142857: I am not familiar with the term "mentors" on WV. What did you have in mind? Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 20:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech, I believe he means getting a mentor to help him with his 'return' on Wikiversity. Please correct me if I'm wrong however @Username142857. RailwayEnthusiast2025 😊 (Talk page) 18:57, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

'Mentors' are usually used to describe people on Wikiversity who mentor people for curatorship, custodianship etc. I think in this context, he might be trying to get a mentor to help him on Wikiversity. RailwayEnthusiast2025 (talk page - contribs) 20:46, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

To clarify, other people have stated that I should probably leave for a while, and I'm wondering if it's safe for me to return Username142857 (discuss • contribs) 05:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

@Username142857: I think you should return whenever you feel like it, honestly. Contributor^118,784 Let's talk 12:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct annual review: provide your comments on the UCoC and Enforcement Guidelines

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I am writing to you to let you know the annual review period for the Universal Code of Conduct and Enforcement Guidelines is open now. You can make suggestions for changes through 3 February 2025. This is the first step of several to be taken for the annual review. Read more information and find a conversation to join on the UCoC page on Meta.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. This annual review was planned and implemented by the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, you may review the U4C Charter.

Please share this information with other members in your community wherever else might be appropriate.

-- In cooperation with the U4C, Keegan (WMF) (talk) 01:12, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I will have a look at it later. RailwayEnthusiast2025 (talk page|contribs) 08:49, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Subscribing to this talk-page

Is anyone here curious to find out what is the best method of subscribing to discussions here? Until today I did not even know one could subscribe to all new topics by clicking on Subscribe (the second Action right after Move). I will have to see if indeed I am automatically subscribed to this new thread that I am hoping to start as soon as I hit the Add topic blue button at the bottom right hand corner.

So far I have had to resort to clicking Subscribe individually for each topic when I wanted to receive a notification for any new replies, but unfortunately after some items I was subscribed to have been archived on January 30, I received a message telling me I am no longer subscribed. I guess I would have to look for any updates that took place before the archive in the archive itself?

Am I making sense at all? I have managed to confuse myself, LOL. Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 17:11, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

You are not subscribed to threads once they are removed from a page (e.g. by archiving). The easiest way to subscribe is by clicking on the "Subscribe" button with the bell next to it that renders near the thread's title. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:44, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

A club for Wikiversity

Hello there, I would like to start a club for Wikiversity, which would be a part of outreach. Wikiversity is one of the smallest Wikimedia projects and I enjoy contributing here. How could you help me in creating a club for this? Yours sincerely, RailwayEnthusiast2025 (Talk page - Contributions) 17:51, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

There is a formal process for this at m:Wikimedia user groups. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:18, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

I meant like a club at an organization, school etc. Not a user group in a town or a city. —RailwayEnthusiast2025 (Talk page - Contributions) 18:31, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

I wanted to do this, because I'm active here, but I don't know. —RailwayEnthusiast2025 (Talk page - Contributions) 19:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

Dear @RailwayEnthusiast2025, If you could contact any established user group in your locality. They could provide support to start a wiki club. 511KeV (discuss • contribs) 04:41, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Dear @511KeV, As said in my previous message, I wish to start a club at an organization, school etc. I wish to start a small club like this, not a user group in a town/city. I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. —RailwayEnthusiast2025 (Talk page - Contributions) 16:23, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@@RailwayEnthusiast2025 Forming a non-affiliated club is a straightforward process. Gather a group of interested individuals and create a simple page on Meta-Wiki outlining the club’s purpose and how others can join and start editing. If your club focuses on a specific theme, such as medicine or the arts, you can mention it on the page.

However, if you intend to establish a university- or school-affiliated club, you should seek permission from the institution. Start by submitting a formal application to the relevant authority at your college or university. 511KeV (discuss • contribs) 13:26, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

The latter is what I intend to do, and thanks for the help. I will start working on it soon. —RailwayEnthusiast2025 (Talk page - Contributions) 14:23, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Global ban proposal for Shāntián Tàiláng

Hello. This is to notify the community that there is an ongoing global ban proposal for User:Shāntián Tàiláng who has been active on this wiki. You are invited to participate at m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Shāntián Tàiláng. Wüstenspringmaus (discuss • contribs) 12:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Wüstenspringmaus, Looks like the RFC you started in an effort to globally ban User:Shāntián Tàiláng has still not concluded. Forgive me, but I am indef-blocked on META so cannot ask there:

• Is there no time limit on such nominations?
• I am not familiar with the subject of this ban nomination, but I think there might be some unsupported allegations against them, such as harassment which is a serious issue. If I'm wrong please forgive me, I did spend a lot of time plowing through this lengthy page.
• Many of us prefer to spend more of our time adding information to the wiki-projects that we are involved in and less to endless discussions. The Nomination page on META is now 43,962 bytes long and growing, and will require any new participant spend a great deal of unproductive time to come up to speed.

Is it expectedad that the only people who Support or Oppose your nomination be personally familiar with the User in question? Cheers, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 23:43, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Reminder: first part of the annual UCoC review closes soon

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This is a reminder that the first phase of the annual review period for the Universal Code of Conduct and Enforcement Guidelines will be closing soon. You can make suggestions for changes through the end of day, 3 February 2025. This is the first step of several to be taken for the annual review. Read more information and find a conversation to join on the UCoC page on Meta. After review of the feedback, proposals for updated text will be published on Meta in March for another round of community review.

Please share this information with other members in your community wherever else might be appropriate.

-- In cooperation with the U4C, Keegan (WMF) (talk) 00:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Self-deleting pages that I nominated for deletion myself

In 2024, I nominated multiple pages for deletion via Template:Proposed deletion (see also Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Proposed deletion). The three-month protective period for most of them now expired.

Example pages: Astronomy outline, VELS mathematics, Particle mechanics.

It would be ideal if the deleting person would be different from the nominating person. However, no one seems to be interested in deleting these pages.

Should I feel free to delete the pages I nominated myself? I think it could be okay, but I can also imagine someone being stringent about these matters and requiring the four-eye principle. One rationale for allowing deleting myself is that the English Wikiversity has only few active administrators and therefore, the four-eye principle would create too much of delay and overhead; on a more admin-populated project, the four-eye principle is more workable. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 06:08, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

OK I'll bite :-)

Looks like enwv has a different Proposed deletion notice than other wiki-projects. One thing I noticed immediately is that there is no reason or explanation required for the deletion proposal.

I understand that all a deletion will accomplish is to remove those articles from public view. They will still continue to exist, but only admins will see them. May I ask @Dan Polansky, why do you believe these 3 articles should be deleted? Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 23:08, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

I always provide a reason for deletion. And thus, e.g. Astronomy outline states: "The Nominator gave the following reason for their nomination:", "too low quality to serve as a learning resource; most links are redlinks; no further reading". --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 09:18, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

I went ahead and deleted the three listed pages. I will wait a little longer before I proceed further. Most of the usual admins do not seem to be around, though, so the absence of opposition does not tell us much. And thus, I am proceeding at risk, and undo is possible by an admin or quasi-admin. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 07:41, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

@Dan Polansky You proposed deletion back in October. Yes, it's fine if you are now the one to delete it. Often there is only one user at a time interested in cleaning up Wikiversity. That person does it until they choose not to. Then after a while, someone else steps up. I cleaned up my own proposed deletions for years with very few complaints. If someone wants to object, they need to be willing to speak up and review your proposed deletions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 00:51, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. I went ahead and quasi-deleted 3 more pages, this time by moving them to user space (since I could find the main creator). I will make more deletions or quasi-deletions later. --Dan Polansky (discuss • contribs) 05:47, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

Upcoming Language Community Meeting (Feb 28th, 14:00 UTC) and Newsletter

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We’re excited to announce that the next Language Community Meeting is happening soon, February 28th at 14:00 UTC! If you’d like to join, simply sign up on the wiki page.

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Replicate c:Template:Imagestack

I find this feature on Commons quite practical, and would like to use it on Wikiversity. But just copying the content to {{Imagestack}} is not enough. The example on {{Imagestack/sandbox}} remains static. Does someone know how to implement the JavaScript? Watchduck (quack) 18:31, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't know how to implement the JavaScript here. I haven't used the Imagestack feature before. —RailwayEnthusiast2025 (Talk page - Contributions) 21:11, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct annual review: proposed changes are available for comment

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I am writing to you to let you know that proposed changes to the Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) Enforcement Guidelines and Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter are open for review. You can provide feedback on suggested changes through the end of day on Tuesday, 18 March 2025. This is the second step in the annual review process, the final step will be community voting on the proposed changes. Read more information and find relevant links about the process on the UCoC annual review page on Meta.

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Wikidata and Sister Projects: an online event

Hello everyone, I’m writing to announce an upcoming event called Wikidata and Sister Projects that will be a mini online conference to highlight the different ways Wikidata can be connected and integrated with the other WM projects.

We are currently looking for session ideas and speakers for our program and wanted to reach out in case there were any editors here that might have a cool idea for a session proposal. Sessions can be found on the event discussion page.

As previously mentioned, we would like to showcase the relationship between Wikibooks and Wikidata, such as the storing of metadata and sitelinking between books and their respective Wikidata items. Do you have an idea for a session? We'd love to hear about it!

The event is scheduled between May 29 - June 1st, 2025. If you have any questions about the event, would like more information or have a session idea to propose, please feel free to get in touch by replying to this post or writing on the event page or on my talk page. Thanks for reading, - Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (discuss) 07:48, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Final proposed modifications to the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines and U4C Charter now posted

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Wikidata and Sister Projects: An online community event

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Hello everyone, I am excited to share news of an upcoming online event called Wikidata and Sister Projects celebrating the different ways Wikidata can be used to support or enhance with another Wikimedia project. The event takes place over 4 days between May 29 - June 1st, 2025.

We would like to invite speakers to present at this community event, to hear success stories, challenges, showcase tools or projects you may be working on, where Wikidata has been involved in Wikipedia, Commons, WikiSource and all other WM projects.

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Vote now on the revised UCoC Enforcement Guidelines and U4C Charter

The voting period for the revisions to the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines ("UCoC EG") and the UCoC's Coordinating Committee Charter is open now through the end of 1 May (UTC) (find in your time zone). Read the information on how to participate and read over the proposal before voting on the UCoC page on Meta-wiki.

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FYI: Can Citizen Science Be Trusted? New Study of Birds Shows It Can

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Vote on proposed modifications to the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines and U4C Charter

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