Talk:Composing free and open online educational resources/2008

Running this course again in July 2009 edit

Hello everyone. I'm thinking to run this course again in July 2009. I will need to edit it a bit to fit my intensions. At the moment I am trying to resist the urge to copy it all to Wikieducator. I like it just where it is, and want the people who participate in my courses to experience it here, but all the other courses they have done are on Wikieducator, and I worry a little that they will freak out. If I am able to edit the content here just for the running of the July course, then that shouldn't be a problem... what do other's think? Would you like to see a copy started over at Wikieducator, or would you like to see the course continue to evolve here? --Leighblackall 23:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Free, open, libre edit

i.e. free/libre as opposed to free/gratis - see Say "Libre". (The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ktucker (talkcontribs) )

See also: Creative Commons for some resources that may be useful. (above comment is not mine ... some people can't sign their posts!?) Countrymike 09:21, 13 December 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Video edit

Very difficult to come up with a video sharing assignment that will be under 4- 5 hours and good for newbies. Perhaps we should think about extending the media creation and sharing topics over more weeks... --Leighblackall 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

First things edit

Shouldn't one of the first requirements/homework be to enter something into your Wikiversity user page? Countrymike 23:22, 2 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree fully - this helps that new users get along faster with new technology. See e.g. Wikiversity:Introduction. ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 11:50, 9 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I just see in week2's assignment that this is told: "After registering with LeMill or Wikiversity, create a user profile page with information about you.", ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 17:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Following the student blog entries edit

I'm wondering if there is a better way to organize the following along with the blog entries. Getting everything on one channel in jaiku is useful, I am wondering if we can organize channels be week or assignment. Having the student intros mixed in with the Ilkka reviews makes it difficult to follow along. -- Prawstho 18:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree that it's difficult to follow - and made even more difficult as the jaiku channel contains all posts to all blogs, not just posts relevant to the course. I was going to suggest that feeds only include a given tag (ie "oercourse"), but your suggestion might indicate that tags could be made more specific, and then organised (eg "oercourse-intro"; "oercourse-tuomi"). However, this will be difficult to manage, and people will inevitably not tag their items - which might leave them out of the feed aggregator... Cormaggio talk 12:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here could be used again the rule: write at begin what is the most important. Always consider that the reader might stop at any time and you guarantee he had all important info read until then. So, if people chose a good title for their blog post this could help minimize the probs described above. ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 11:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, well named postings would be helpful... Is it possible for Hans or Teemu to export the OPML file from their Jaiku account, then I could subscribe to them all in my google reader... -- Prawstho 21:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
well, why don't we pester them also by mail ? :-) ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 21:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Teemul replied here, ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 22:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion Board edit

Would it be worthwhile to set up a google group for this course to start discussions or should we be doing this through blog comments? -- Prawstho 18:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Or just here :) I mean that opening more tools would increase the difficulty of following all the conversations, and since this discussions have started here, this is not a bad place (specially because the course it's a Wikiversity born project). --Esenabre 20:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree - we don't know yet the technical capabilities of all participants. Learning to use a wiki is pretty easy. ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 11:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It would have made sense I think to have centered discussions in Wikiversity itself, perhaps breaking off each week into a seperate page for discussions. This way the content of discussions would have remained somewhat centralized for other people to have engaged with over time. It is a wiki I guess, so perhaps the participants (of which I'm not really one) will do this themselves. Countrymike 20:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What I also find interesting is: I didn't so far see any reactions by Teemul or Hans here or on the posts. I see Teemul + Hans online in IRC, but I doubt most of the participants use IRC. Sorry, if I oversaw their comments somewhere. Did anyone see any reaction (e.g. also like you emailed them)? ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 11:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In the end, it is the discussion that occurs around a course that becomes an important part of the learning. So this discussion should be attached to the course page. So when people come back a year from now they can review what happened and potentially learn from it. Sooo... we should keep the chat here. Now we need a way to encourage Teemu and Hans to contribute here. ;) -- Prawstho 22:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wiki in education edit

I'm very interested in using wikis in education. Started researching collaborative learning of secondary school students, using wikis as a mean (collaborative space) but also as a goal (build a educational resource for other students). See my user page Jeroencl 15:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Jeroen, about the Macedonia Netherlands Project: on German Wikiversity there are also such similar projects between pupils of a German and Bulgarian university. When I see the project I had two thoughts: the many (private) pictures of the students and also that there are contributions at concentrated times (not over longtime period). What are your experiences ? ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 19:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Jeroen, if your developing secondary school curriculum you may want to consider WikiEducator as a place to deploy it. We are working very hard to create a complete K12 curriculum available as OER by 2015. I believe the approach of having primary and secondary students create this content is not being promoted loud enough, please consider this as an option. -- Prawstho 20:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Created an account on WikiEducatorJeroencl 17:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Peter, Wikiversity is also set up to develop curricula (and not at all confined to university/tertiary level material - see Wikiversity:Pre-tertiary portal). Jeroen - that's great! Your wikispaces project (between Dutch and Macedonian students) looks very interesting - have you or anyone else in the project written about the project, how it went, what you learnt...? Cormaggio talk 21:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cormaggio, Peter and Erkan: I am working with Jeroen on the secondary school wikispaces project. The project is still going on! It started January 31. We haven't written anywhere public about that yet, but we may do it here on wikiversity. Jeroen will you reply here?Anicap 15:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm doing a research project on computer supported collaborative learning. I'm doing this in a Academic School project. In this project 3 schools work together with an university to work on 3 topics: 1. teacher group, which works on teacher education ( iniversity and school work together), 2. development group: Develop new educational ideas / materials / lession plans. 3. Research goup. I'm working in the research group as a teacher/resaercher now. Look at my user page for more information on that. It could be interesting to translate my research in English and start discussing the findings. How about this? I would really love to have some feedback. I work with a group of teachers and professors who don't know anything about web 2.0 at all, so i don't get much usefull feedback there.
We will, as Anica told you, write about the Macedonia-Netherlands experience also.Jeroencl 16:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello Jeroencl, sounds ok. If oyu could add how much pages this would be to read perhaps you could get faster responses :-) ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 16:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
first I have to write everything in Dutch, after that I can translate. But I would like to discuss some things thats are puzzling me earlier. Jeroencl 16:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My students have made a WIKI, concerning The Enlightment in Philosophy and English and Dutch literature. It's in Dutch. In my research I look at three questions: 1. how do the students collaborate online, 2. how do the students work on interdiscilinary cohesion online / in the wiki and 3. How does working this way influences their motivation to learn. What I have to do now is to look at the data and get a clear picture of how students did work online. This means to categorize speech acts etc . I'm still not happy with the way I do this now. Does anybody have sugestions how I could work on this? There must be research projecst where they have figured out interesting ways of doing this. Or is there another project in wikiversity were they collaborate on this research issue?? Jeroencl 16:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Jeroencl, some questions:
1. data: what is this data ? and in what kind of form is this data available ?
  • Probably the user contributions in that specific wiki; do you have a tool to analyze these ? e.g. select wished data from the database by queries ? perhaps studying the response time on all posts, the amount of people clicking on a post, building clusters of who works with whom, ...
  • Feedback by interviewing people (the students, teachers, others) ?
  • as you tell observation of their acts ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 17:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
the data are indeed the contributions to the wiki. I would like to look at quantitative data ( how much contributions from whom, which links are clicked how many times etc, but especially qualitative data: what sort of contributions, relating to colaboration, cohesion and motivation. The qualitative interpretation is the hardest to do. I also have feedback from teachers, and from other students who looked at the WIKI. Jeroencl 22:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
2. "I'm still not happy with the way I do this now." ok, so how do you do it actually ? categorizing speech, acts, ... is so general - probably you are using quantitative and qualitative methods, e.g. content analysis ? ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 17:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I should do this, but I have not how to do the content analysis. Jeroencl 22:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have used qualitative content analysis (German Wikipedia article) in my diploma thesis some years ago. I have a summary on how to use it (but in German :-( if you want, I can send it to you ? since your language is similar to German). What I remember from back then is: reading examples is good, but better having someone who did it already so she can correct your first try with content analysis - that helps a lot. Let me look if I can find some literature from back then. ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 22:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please send me all the information you've got. Thank you in advance Jeroencl 22:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See your mails, ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 22:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
maybe some other people have some additional help also. Jeroencl 23:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
3. "Or is there another project in wikiversity were they collaborate on this research issue??" You could also ask in the Wikiversity:Colloquium about this - the more people see it the higher your chances with a satisfying response. As told above at the German Wikiversity there is also such collaborations (e.g. here) - I am sure to a friendly hello (with a link to here) you could get a friendly reply back :-) You could ask e.g. Jeanpol. ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 17:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have put my request on the Wikiversity:Colloquium page. Jeroencl 22:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've just seen this and left a comment on Colloquium. I propose we set this up as a project - perhaps Enlightenment course research? Cormaggio talk 11:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Updated the Enlightenment course research project page today. Lets start! Jeroencl 09:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wiki way of doing things edit

Continuous attempt to look for the best ways to do things is a reason why I like (and hate) wikis. The wiki is an open space for process innovations. If you feel that we should have a mailing list / google group for the class discussions, just do it and we will be there. --Teemu 06:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I created a couple of resources for this course, I hope they help; Composing free and open online educational resources#Course / Class News -- Prawstho 22:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for this Peter. Could you explain somewhere how I am to use the OPML file from Bloglines? The Wikipedia article is all Geek to me... Cormaggio talk 16:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ooops, what a propeller head I have been. An OPML file is essentially a file that contains a list of all the RSS feeds (blogs) you have subscribed. I now use google reader to manage all my blog subscriptions. I can use the OPML file to export and import all my blog subscriptions. So now that I have created all the blog subscriptions in bloglines I can now export all the subscriptions into the OPML file and import it into google reader. Once imported to google reader (or any RSS / blog reader) I have my own subscriptions to all the blogs within the oercourse. With my own subscriptions I can now see which posting I have read and which ones are new. Really all I have done is simplified the effort of everyone in the course having to set up their own subscriptions to everyones blog. -- Prawstho 20:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm still trying to figure this out - I've never used an RSS/blog reader in my life. I think I managed to import them, but Google reader seems to be giving me loads of things from people that I know, but that I never subscribed to (very strange). But thanks a lot for your help, Peter! Cormaggio talk 22:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Peter: the OPML is working fine, thx. I advise more people to use it. ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 20:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

week3 - standing on the shoulders of giants edit

Was just added the WP article w:Standing on the shoulders of giants to above. If this is unwished, please someone revert. ----Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat 12:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Blog feed needs attention edit

It seems to me the blog feed needs some cleaning up - e.g., I'm not sure why Topic:Marine biology wikiversity page changes are included. Also, I joined a few days ago and emailed my feed, but can't see it appearing yet. Seems like a kinda quiet course this one. No matter, it got me excited and hooked on wikiversity, so I have plenty to do and already got a lot out of it. -- Jtneill - Talk 13:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If it makes you feel more in the thick of things, I'm watching and learning. Thanks lucychili 13:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC) :)Reply[reply]
James, you must pester people to gettheir attention here :-)
btw: hello Lucychili, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
James, this is why I created the bloglines and therefore the OPML file. It was to fix up the Jaiku channel... OPML, let me know if you require assistance. -- Prawstho 19:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Prawstho, I'm still confused; not sure if you can help: Participants of the composing free and open online educational resources course#Feeds. -- Jtneill - Talk 15:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

mini-PLE edit

I made this table as a mini-PLE for this course. Feel free to use or suggest adaptations. -- Jtneill - Talk 11:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Week 7: Sharing Audio edit

I created week sevens lesson, I hope you don't mind... It's emptyness was a distraction for me. -- Prawstho 23:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Weeks/Dates edit

Perhaps its time to remove dates from the weeks now that the course is complete? Maybe archive the page with dates. -- Jtneill - Talk 23:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Featured edit

Please comment: this page has been nominated for featured status: Wikiversity:Featured#Composing free and open online educational resources. -- Jtneill - Talk 23:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm interested, too. Contributing this comment should keep a link active (in the list of "My Contributions"), so that I can find this page again, and again. I feel confident of finding good things, since one of my "friends" has commented above. Ray Calvin Baker (talk) 16:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

UNESCO (Communiqués de presse): Wikiversity offers a course on online educational resources, 7th February 2008 edit

written in French, ----Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 13:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Adverstising edit

How was this course advertise?--Juan de Vojníkov 16:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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