Talk:Motivation and emotion/Book/2016/Villain motivations

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Hi, love the topic and your approach. I haven't provided any feedback on referencing and grammar checks as you note, you will do that after. (There are a few references missing pages, dates, and I think some text may need to be referenced yet also.) However, happy to do a once over when you are finished if you like. I really liked how you put the quizzes after key information. My only suggestions would be:

• To possibly include a table that compares Villains and Criminals, maybe as a theoretical summary close to the end.
• Another good table - or maybe as a box - would be the Aggressive and Sexual behaviour parts of the brain.
• Under Biological Perspective, maybe bullet point the reasons in your leading paragraph, it will help break up the text and may support reduced word use.
• You may also want to link some of your terms to external information (e.g. reductionism/Freud - possibly even your theories - can link to Wiki).
• Case Studies - maybe box then so they stand out. I don't think you need a third, but if you do you may want to reduce the text in the first and second one.

Hope the comments are helpful. Best of luck finishing it off. U109993 (discuss • contribs) 21:04, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, really cool topic, great idea. Attached is a link to an article on Osama Bin Laden and the archetype of the evil super villain, hope its helpful. Regards, u3094046 --B Laurie (discuss • contribs) 08:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC) http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/14616700500131851

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FYI, the convention on Wikiversity is for lower-cased headings. For example, use: ==Cats and dogs== rather than ==Cats and Dogs== -- Jtneill - Talk - c 19:41, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I thought your topic looks really interesting. Perhaps, you can use Disney villains as an example of the 'typical villain' and compare some of their motivations to real criminals. Usually, Disney villains are just plain evil and are motivated to destroy either beauty or love (e.g. snow white queen and Maleficent). However, some of them are motivated by power (Jaffar in Alladin, Prince Hans in Frozen, Ursula in the Little Mermaid). Cruella DeVille is motivated by an obsession with furs. Perhaps you can look for similar themes between these, and real criminals? Hope this is a useful idea - good luck --U3083662 (discuss • contribs) 23:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello, i thought i'd add a few to the above suggestion Ie - the joker in batman wants anarchy Ultron - wants to destroy everything You could compare all the mentioned village with some of these descriptions from criminology. Rational choice theory: People generally act in their self-interest and make decisions to commit crime after weighing the potential risks (including getting caught and punished) against the rewards. Social disorganization theory: A person’s physical and social environments are primarily responsible for the behavioral choices that person makes. In particular, a neighborhood that has fraying social structures is more likely to have high crime rates. Such a neighborhood may have poor schools, vacant and vandalized buildings, high unemployment, and a mix of commercial and residential property. Strain theory: Most people have similar aspirations, but they don’t all have the same opportunities or abilities. When people fail to achieve society’s expectations through approved means such as hard work and delayed gratification, they may attempt to achieve success through crime. Social learning theory: People develop motivation to commit crime and the skills to commit crime through the people they associate with. Social control theory: Most people would commit crime if not for the controls that society places on individuals through institutions such as schools, workplaces, churches, and families. Labeling theory: People in power decide what acts are crimes, and the act of labeling someone a criminal is what makes him a criminal. Once a person is labeled a criminal, society takes away his opportunities, which may ultimately lead to more criminal behavior. Taken from http://www.dummies.com/education/psychology/important-theories-in-criminology-why-people-commit-crime/ T All the best! --Arlo Porter (discuss • contribs) 02:29, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Reference List

Hey!

Your chapter is good! Fun to read through. I like how interactive it is!

You were probably going to eventually do this yourself, but I changed the formatting for your reference list so it's a hanging indent. Feel free to undo it if you like! Chot24 (discuss • contribs) 22:02, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Feedback

Your topic is really interesting and I love the pictures. Under the heading "What constitutes a villain", it might be worth pointing out that since a 'villain' is often an antagonist, it depends a lot on the nature of the main character as to what features the villain will present (I don't have a reference, sorry, just spewing opinion from my head) - in the MMO game Star Wars: The Old Republic, you can choose to play out a story line of the 'villians', so everyone who appears to stop you is the 'good side' so could they be considered 'villians' in that case? Or in Phantom of the Opera, the Phantom does some pretty horrific things, so is he a villian, even if he is one of the main characters and you are supposed to care for him? In V for Vendetta, "V" is the love interest of the main character and has some dishonorable qualities, and yet he is considered a protagonist. Basically.... does it depend on the perspective? Does the research you found on villains explore this at all? Is antagonist considered synonymous with villain? I'm not sure about the "Is this a criminal or a villain?" question. Couldn't it be a criminal as well, if the person was rather sadistic? One could argue that it depends on the criminal. Try to make the distinction clearer, with examples, if possible.

As for examples... I thought of some you could include. "symptom of psychotic disorders (Harley Quinn, etc) , narcissistic tendencies (Gilderoy Lockhart (LOL?), Kill Graves (from Jessica Jones), Geoffrey from Game of Thrones), or just outright psychopathic (Admiral Thrawn (star wars books - yes, I am a nerd), Ramsey Bolton from Game of Thrones) .

" their crimes are often unrelated to their mental illness, but more related to their unfortunate circumstance ("Mental Illness Not Usually Linked," 2014)." <- could you expand on this and give some examples? I find this fact really interesting as I consider most criminals to be mentally ill in some capacity (not that this is bad). Does the paper include any? Are there some in the media? The murder of the singer Christina Grimmie a few months ago for example seemed to be driven by an erotomanic and/or jealousy delusion. This might be an example you could use, as it is recent.

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/06/christina_grimmie_murder_stalker_police_investigat.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/christina-grimmies-killer-thought-were-8259471 Apparently there was no "history" of mental illness.... but perhaps the killer never got a professional diagnosis?

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/allinthemind/mental-illness-and-the-criminal-justice-system/6535790 This article explains that many criminals that would technically be diagnosed with a mental illness, can't use that as a defense in court because they have not sought help and gotten a diagnosis. It is a grey area in the justice system.

Maybe add a picture for Voldemort and the Joker.

I hope this helps!

U3108945, 23/10/2016

Hi! your topic is really great! very interesting content and a really unique topic. My only suggestion was to add some wiki links to the main concepts. I have done most for you, you might want to check if there is any other key topics I missed though. Well done and good luck finishing it off--U3117592 (discuss • contribs) 11:33, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

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Overall Overall, this is a fresh and interesting chapter which makes effective use of the wiki environment and provides a readable, well considered, application of motivational theory to fictional villains. For more feedback see these copyedits and the comments below. Feel free to make ongoing changes to the chapter if you wish to address any of these comments or make other improvements. Theory Theories are well selected and covered. The Overview establishes the relevance of the topic. The case study(ies) is(are) helpful. Perhaps consider traditional/historical villains? e.g., from myths Perhaps consider gender - e.g., female villains? The Conclusion offers a good summary and emphasises solutions. Research Perhaps more research about criminal motivation could be reviewed and integrated. Original research by using fictional examples was helpful. When describing important research studies, provide some indication of the nature of the method. When discussing important research findings, indicate the size of effects in addition to whether or not there was an effect or relationship. Written expression Written expression is engaging. For academic writing in psychology, such as this book chapter, write in third person rather than first (e.g., avoid "I', "we", "our") or second (e.g., "you", "your" etc.) person perspective. The chapter successfully addresses the topic and book theme. Structure and headings Avoid sections with only one sub-section in a level. A section should have no sub-sections or at least two sub-sections. Each section should start with at least one introductory paragraph before branching into sub-sections. The chapter is well-structured. Layout No images or tables were used. There is minimal use of images or tables. Some images are used, but the chapter could be improved by adding more images. Tables and/or Figures are used effectively. Tables and Figures should be referred to in the main text. Figure captions could be improved by making them more explanatory. (Excessive use of) coloured boxes was removed so as to aid accessibility/readability; strive for simple layout (e.g., as per Wikipedia articles) Reduce (excessive) use of coloured boxes so as to aid accessibility/readability; strive for simple layout (e.g., as per Wikipedia articles) Use wiki bullet points (some items are pasted from a word processor without being marked up). Add bullet-points for See also and External links. Integration with other chapters No integration with other chapters is evident . Little integration with other chapters is evident. Add interwiki links links to a wider range of other relevant chapters. The chapter provides an excellent range of relevant links to other Wikiversity pages. Learning features Some use of interwiki links to relevant Wikipedia articles - more could be added. Quiz questions are used effectively to encourage reader engagement. Grammar and proofreading Check and correct the use of abbreviations (such as "e.g.," and "i.e.,"). APA style Check and correct the APA style for how to report numbers (Numbers under 10 should be written in words (e.g., five); numbers 10 and over should be written in numbers (e.g., 10)). The reference list is not in full APA style.

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 05:13, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

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Overall Wow, this is a wonderful all-round presentation that brings the topic to life and shows a fabulous understanding of motivation by applying to a novel topic is a fun, informative, and entertaining way!!! Structure and content Overview Sets up and establishes the problem and its importance in a clear and understandable way. Selection and organisation Really well selected content. Did more than summarise the chapter - brought it and the ideas to life! Citations and references are included. Conclusion Take-home messages / key points are well synthesised and summarised. Communication Audio Audio is clear and well-paced. Beautifully narrated. Video Visuals are clear, engaging and easy to read. The combination of images and text is very effective. Production quality Overall, extremely well produced. Meta-data The title accurately reflects the book chapter). Link provided to book chapter. Audio recording quality Excellent Probably remove the background music from the main part of the presentation - it makes it more difficult to concentrate on the narration and visuals. Although it does kind of work for this topic/presentation. Image/video recording quality Excellent Licensing A copyright license for the presentation is shown. The copyright licenses and sources of the images used are not indicated - there may have been copyright violation unless you own the copyright to the images used.

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 07:19, 20 November 2016 (UTC)