Talk:Motivation and emotion/Book/2013/Crying

From the author... Hi, guys!! Thanks for visiting my page! I really appreciate your comments!!! All comments you guys wrote are very thoughtful and helpful! I'm lucky to have you all as my classmates :) You're more than welcome to edit my page as well - if you find any grammatical miss or words, even any mistakes on APA style. I'm not a native English speaker, so there must be a lot of grammatical errors. (I will definitely read out loud my page as Barb said. Thanks :)) Good luck on your wiki page, everyone! Cheers, Jisu --JisuKim (discuss • contribs)

When is it not good to cry

Hey, i found a few articles which can help to explain when it is harmful to cry, they revolve around excessive crying in childhood and the physiological, psychological and health risks associated. It is all summed up in this link --> http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/health-concerns/fussy-baby/science-says-excessive-crying-could-be-harmful

--Anerakneko (discuss • contribs) 23:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Physiological issues

Wolke, D., Rizzo, P., & Woods, S. (2002). Persistent infant crying and hyperactivity problems in middle childhood. Pediatrics, 109(6), 1054-1060. <-- This article discusses the relationship between persistent crying and the development of adhd, finding that infants who cry persistently are at risk of developing it or other issues like it.

Perry, B. (1997), “Incubated in Terror: Neurodevelopmental Factors in the Cycle of Violence,” Children in a Violent Society, Guilford Press, New York. <--- this book talks about how the chronic stress associated with leaving an infant alone to cry frequently can lead to over stimulation of the brainstem, resulting in an overactive adrenaline system which can lead to/pre-ceed aggressive behaviour.

Schore, A.N. (1996), “The Experience-Dependent Maturation of a Regulatory System in the Orbital Prefrontal Cortex and the Origen of Developmental Psychopathology,” Development and Psychopathology 8: 59 – 87. Karr-Morse, R, Wiley, M. Interview With Dr. Allan Schore, Ghosts From the Nursery, 1997, pg 200. --> these two articals again talk about how excessive crying in childhood can lead to destruction of nerve connections which can again be linked to a violent, impulsive, emotionally unattached child.

--Anerakneko (discuss • contribs) 23:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Intellectual and emotional issues

M R Rao, et al; Long Term Cognitive Development in Children with Prolonged Crying, National Institutes of Health, Archives of Disease in Childhood 2004; 89:989-992. --> links excessive crying with lower IQ.

Stifter and Spinrad, The Effect of Excessive Crying on the Development of Emotion Regulation, Infancy, 2002; 3(2), 133-152. --> suggests excessive crying lead to difficulty in controlling emotions.

There is a bunch more useful references like these in the original link i posted as well.

my conclusion would be that its good to cry for the reasons you have described already but when those needs are not met (attention is not gained, not therapeutic etc) and crying continues it then has potential to become a health issue particularly in infancy. which kind of debunks the whole, 'just let him cry it out" saying.

Hope this helps!

PS: i am very happy to profread your assignment when you are close to finishing also, just let me know and i can help with grammar, spelling, sentence structure and flow :)

--Anerakneko (discuss • contribs) 23:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Anerakneko! This is such a wonderful feedback! I had a trouble with finding articles (for "when is it not good to cry" but it's good that you helped me ^0^ Every articles that you suggest are very helpful. I will follow on your book chapter soon! Good luck on your book chapter, JisuKim (discuss • contribs)

Health reasons for crying and other feedback

Hey there. Love your chapter so far, but thought it might be useful to briefly include some other reasons for why we cry. For example we cry when we chop onions (which I can see you've mentioned) or our eyes water when we're cooking at the stove. So perhaps you could include eye watering as a sub-section (or under physiological reasons for crying) and include eye watering (as opposed to crying) during sneezing and illness too. Alternatively, as you have already briefly mentioned quite a few of these things, you could just refer to these under "when is it good to cry", because in these instances we are crying/eye watering to remove debris, protect the eye, or as a method for combating illness, which makes it a very good thing! Under the "when is it good to cry" section you should definitely also include your comments that crying relieves stress and helps in preventing potential aggression towards another; these are all great reasons to cry and also very good self help tips! Finally, I've also noticed a few spelling and grammatical errors so I'll go through and fix the ones that I can see.

Good luck! NatKat88 (discuss • contribs) 01:19, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Nat! Thanks for leaving your lovely comments :D oh, thanks so I can include some points that I wrote in the section [why do we cry?] into [when is it good to cry?] I try to avoid overlapping informations, but i think you are suggesting that I can briefly repeat some points again ? Yes, I will fix the grammatical errors. Thank you! okay I will also follow on your book chapter soon. Good luck on your rest of the book chapter (and I'll see you on the UCPS boat party!) JisuKim (discuss • contribs)

Hi!

I'm doing emotions in early childhood and obviously crying is something they do so wondered if it was OK to link to your page?

Were you planning to write anything about crying with regards to infants/toddlers and how they use it to communicate? Or about excessive crying? If you are I might have some material to point you at and if you wanted a funny link to include this is a blog by a father of two toddlers who posts photos of all the things that make them cry. http://www.reasonsmysoniscrying.com

all the best with your chapter

V

--VanessaQ (discuss • contribs) 23:47, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Vanessa Q, Thanks for your comment! After you left your comment, I wrote some information about infants and toddlers crying regarding to communication with their caregivers! You can use the information that I wrote. And just let me know if you have further questions about infant crying and communication. Good luck on your book chapter - I left some comments on your page, JisuKim (discuss • contribs) Thanks Jisu, you did a really good job with your chapter and I loved your inclusion about infants. Its really interactive and draws you in as James also said. Glad you liked my photos, they are actually ones of my daughters (even the tantrum one!) but they fit with what I wanted. VanessaQ (discuss • contribs) 22:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Ideas

Hi! Nice work, you've got a big block of stuff here already. I would maybe consider as an aside to the infant/toddler information, what does it mean for those who are unable to cry? Some individuals with particular psychopathologies report being unable to feel sadness or physically cry. Where does that stuff fit into the picture? eg. crying is the normal response to emotionally charged sad life events so what does it mean when you don't cry? Also, it's been mentioned in readings a few times that all emotions are good in that they all prompt and direct some kind of approach or avoid behaviour, therefore what motivational properties does crying provide? Hope these questions help you. Best of luck! PatrickBateman (discuss • contribs) 03:47, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, PatrickBateman :) Thanks for visiting my page :) Since you have mentioned about people who cannot' cry, I have left a video link for people who cannot cry. In psychopathology, there is a psychological disorder for people who really cannot cry. It's very serious disorder than I thought before! I will put some more information about the disorder. Please visit my page again, have a look :D Your comments were very helpful, thanks! Good luck on your wiki page, too. JisuKim (discuss • contribs)

Crying as detoxification?

Such an interesting topic. It isn't one I've done a lot of research on, but I look forward to learning about what's out there through your page. I think crying is such a release in so many ways. And is something that can be taken for granted/undermined!

Have you found anything on crying as a physical detoxification? I have such an interest in the way detoxification can relate to well being, and I just wonder the extent to which crying links with emotional well being through detoxification...

Good luck for your chapter :)

--Jacki Ball (discuss • contribs) 21:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Jacki Ball :) First, thanks for visiting my page! Since you have left your comments, I have been looking for information about crying as detoxification. It is definitely a benefit of crying - I'm going to put up some more information on my page. Have a look when you visit my page again :) Thanks + Good luck on your wiki! JisuKim (discuss • contribs)

Thanks, Jisu. I will have a read :) Awesome job on your page. --Jacki Ball (discuss • contribs) 19:33, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Nice Job

Hi

This page looks great. I have had a read and enjoyed the contents. I did notice a few typos and missing words, esp. in the Adult Crying for Communication section. Might be worth reading it out loud to yourself (that's what I have to do to pick up my shocking spelling...hehehe...) other than that Great job. Barb Bowen (discuss • contribs) 01:18, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Barb! Yes some good points you made that I need to go through my page all over again. There must be more than hundreds of grammatical mistakes I have made so far ;) Thanks for making a good point! Good luck on your wiki JisuKim (discuss • contribs)

Wow

Wow, Jisu! This page is looking fabulous. The structure is excellent. The feature boxes are fascinating and you've done a fantastic job with relevant images. I also love the open communication here on the talk page as the chapter develops. I will try to get to a closer read before its due. Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 21:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I was just about to comment saying the same thing, the layout is great and get drawn in and want to read more. Congratulations on a really good effort!! V VanessaQ (discuss • contribs) 14:45, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Emotional Contagion

Hi there! Your page looks great! You asked if you could link to my topic (Emotional Contagion); please feel free... I don't plan to go into crying specifically, but if I do, I will link back to your page.

Thanks, Katie TheDancingZebra (discuss • contribs) 05:44, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Fantastic! Thanks for sharing!

This page is looking great! I have learnt quite a few things from browsing your code, hope you don't mind. Best of luck - Keep up the good work. PatrickBateman (discuss • contribs) 08:35, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Touching poem

Just wanted to say: the poem at the end of your page is incredibly touching. I love the regular "healing tears" reference. --Jacki Ball (discuss • contribs) 23:27, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Chapter review and feedback

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Overall Overall, this is a very impressive chapter which succeeds in explaining crying, focusing on emotional and psychological aspects and, in particulary, whether it can good or healthy to cry. The chapter makes effective use of a variety of features available in Wikiversity and addresses a self-help audience. Theory The chapter impressively offers a broad theoretical framework for crying and considers multiple explanations for, and types of, crying. Several useful and relevant studies are cited and most claims are appropriately referenced. Research No comment Written expression Written expression is mostly clear, but there were several English-language corrects (e.g., see me edits). Effect use is made of links to Wikipedia articles. These can be made as internal links e.g., Charles Darwin rather than external links. The chapter layout and presentation is excellent, although I would down some of the boxes a bit e.g., see the style of Wikipedia articles.

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 03:34, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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Overall Overall, WOW. What an amazing presentation! This is one of the best multimedia presentations I've seen. Theory and research about an applied emotional topic is provided in a clear, interesting way. Structure and content Content is particularly well organised and selected, drawing on both theory and research, with practical examples. Communication Communication is very effective via animated slides, with clear narrated voice audio, with a clear overview and summary (but the summary didn't have voice-over?) Production quality Production quality is superb. What program/software did you use? What is the copyright license for the presentation?

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 03:28, 9 December 2013 (UTC)