School talk:Advanced general studies

Merger Discussion

What Exactly Is Advanced General Studies in the Context of this School?

What exactly is advanced general studies in the context of this school? The Jade Knight 23:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

This Participant, the Founder of Advanced General Studies, sees "AGS" as "Advanced", not Introductory, "General", not Specialized, and "Studies", Studies.

"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." -- William Jefferson Clinton: As in the case of that former President of the United States, to answer the question "What exactly is advanced general studies in the context of this school?" requires a definition of is. The existence of such institutions as the Institute for Advanced Study and the Center for Advanced Study might permit us to allude to a sort of Wikiversity Equivalent. If so, then we might be pointed in the direction of what "Advanced General Studies" are within the context of this school. To define what exactly "Advanced General Studies" are, though, seems impossible.

Though the question is with reference to something purportedly "Advanced", this answer to the question may be simple; but the attempt has been made for it to be straightforward.

(s) Dionysios ^(talk), a Participant in the Wikiversity School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-07-09 (July 9, 2007) Time: 2153 UTC

As involved as that response is, it doesn't answer my question. What is, in simple terms, "Advanced General Studies"? What is, in your mind, "General Studies"? Is that core curriculum, or something different? How does this relate to Wikiversity, and why is it a school, as opposed to, say, a Topic (or, more to the point, perhaps, a Portal)? The Jade Knight 04:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The Jade Knight is thanked for his thoughtful questions, which will have the effect of broadening this Participant's Frame of Reference. Answers will come forth. -- Dionysios ^(talk), Date: 2007-07-10 (July 10, 2007) Time: 1349 UTC

Although he must apologize for his shortcomings, Your Servant still cannot answer the questions of whether "General Studies" are Core Curriculum or Something Different, how they relate to Wikiversity, and why AGS should be one of the Wikiversity Schools, contemplating becoming a large organizational structure containing various Divisions and Departments rather than being a Division or Department of some other Endeavor or only a Portal without an associated School; Your Servant still finds your Questions valuable and well worthy of Answers; and Your Servant still promises: "Answers will come forth."

Oppose. -- In his understanding of Wikiversity Policy, it is incumbent upon those proposing Mergers not to apply the "Merge" Template without first providing "a detailed set of reasons for the merge". Questions are not reasons. Your Servant must most humbly and sincerely request that you remove the many "Delete" Templates and "Merge" Templates which you have placed on AGS Pages until or unless you comply with Wikiversity Policy and lay BILLS OF PARTICULARS against any Pages which offend you so much that you find it necessary to again propose that they be Deleted or Merged. To do so will not in any way lessen the responsibility of Your Servant to comply with the Wikiversity Policies concerning Scholarly Ethics and, if possible, to satisfactorily answer your Questions, all of which to date have been Proper and Worthy.

Best regards,

(s) Dionysios ^(talk), a Participant in the Wikiversity School of Law, Date: 2007-07-22 (July 22, 2007) Time: 2218 UTC

Reason: I don't think there should be two domains for one project unless there is a good reason for the duplication; I think redirects would be more effective at getting new participants to be able to contribute effectively. The Jade Knight 20:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose, Still. -- AGS contemplates becoming a Large Organizational Structure. If and when AGS does become Large, it will need its Associated Portal as do many Major Wikiversity Schools. Defending these Projects, which are now in Development is serving to slow their Development. My friend, if you will Assume the Good Faith of this School and its Associated Portal and withdraw, for now, the Merger Proposal, perhaps we can be on with our Work more expeditiously and thereby be given the opportunity to demonstrate that there is Good Reason for, not a Duplication, but a Full Treatment.

Best regards,

(s) Dionysios ^(talk), a Participant in the School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-07-26 (July 26, 2007) Time: 1801 UTC

Can you please point out some other schools that have separate portals? Portal:School of History redirects to School:History, and I am having trouble finding others. The Jade Knight 05:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

This is an Excellent Assignment. Your Servant is pleased to go to work for you. From his Investigation, he notes that the Results are Guaranteed to Edify Your Servant; and, he hopes that the Results will Edify you. -- Dionysios ^(talk), a Participant in the School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-07-27 (July 27, 2007) Time: 1925 UTC

Please remember that most verbs are not listed at Wikipedia, though they are at Wiktionary. The (very few) verbs which are at Wikipedia will be in gerund form (such as "running"). The Jade Knight 22:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Remembered. Done. Please Forgive the Bad Links; they have been Corrected. "I Seem to Be a Verb."  :-) And now, Your Servant returns to his Edifying Investigations of Portals and Schools. Fascinating. Best regards, -- Dionysios ^(talk), a Participant in the School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-07-28 (July 28, 2007) Time: 1504 UTC

Wikiversity Schools & Wikibooks

I noticed that the list of schools[1] does not (currently) include the School of Advanced General Studies. From what I read[2], “the list” came about after discussion in sister-project Wikibooks (though I cannot spot the thread yet). In regard to the proposed merger, is the relation to Wikibooks something that would need to be considered? (Interaction, necessary books?) Tortillovsky (discuss • contribs) 17:03, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Why Two (2) Domains for One (1) Project?

Why two domains for one project? The Jade Knight 04:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The Jade Knight is thanked for his thoughtful question, which will have the effect of broadening this Participant's Frame of Reference. An answer will come forth. -- (s) Dionysios ^(talk), Date: 2007-07-10 (July 10, 2007) Time: 1349 UTC

This is Not One (1) Project, but Two (2) Projects: The School and The Associated Portal. AGS contemplates becoming a Large Organizational Structure. If and when AGS does become Large, it will need its Associated Portal as do many Major Wikiversity Schools need their Associated Portals. The School and Its Associated Portal represent not a Duplication, but a Full Treatment. Schools and Portals are of a Different Nature.

Best regards,

(s) Dionysios ^(talk), a Participant in the School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-07-26 (July 26, 2007) Time: 1821 UTC

Core Curriculum and Something Different

On 2007-07-10 (July 10, 2007), The Jade Knight inquired as to whether in the mind of Dionysios, "General Studies" was core curriculum or something different.

Dionysios is beginning to suspect that General Studies are certainly Not Core Curriculum. This, however, has Redirected his attention to the back to basics. To support a School of Advanced General Studies and Its Associated Portal, perhaps he will also need to offer Core Curriculum. Yet Another Content Development Project is in the works.

(s) Dionysios ^(talk), a Participant in the School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-07-26 (July 26, 2007) Time: 1849 UTC

English Usage

You should put a notice somewhere that non-standard capitalization ("Eventually", etc.) is intentional, and should not be changed, so that some poor editor doesn't come and unwittingly try to correct your particular usage. The Jade Knight 22:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Your Humble and Obedient Servant Does Not really Want to Litter Pages with Notices that he Deviates from This, That, and the Other Norm, Be it this Time in the Matter Non-Standard Capitalization or Tomorrow who Knows What.

Your Humble and Obedient Servant Does Not Own This Page; and Every Poor Editor Who should Come Along and Begin to Correct Your Humble and Obedient Servant's Feeble Efforts might be Doing a Good Thing.

But, as those Poor Editors Do Come Along and Begin to Correct Your Humble and Obedient Servant's Feeble Efforts, however, Will They Not soon Discover that Something Is Transpiring that would Require Way Too Much Effort to put "Right"; and, Then, would They Not, Perhaps, Enter into the Spirit of what Is Transpiring and, Perhaps, Edit Something more Profound than the Accidents of Usage.

If some Notice is Needed or some Notices are Needed, though, Does Sir Knight have a Recommendation as the to Location where such Should Be Placed?

On the Subject of Capitalization, it should be noted that the Wikipedia Article on Capitalization is Correct when it Indicates that "Capitalization custom varies with language. The full rules of capitalization for English are complicated. The rules have also changed over time, generally to capitalize fewer terms; to the modern reader, an 18th century document seems to use initial capitals excessively. It is an important function of English style guides to describe the complete current rules, although there is some variation from one guide to another."

"What Was Will Be". In the View of Your Humble and Obedient Servant any AGS Style Guide should Make Standard those 18th Century Patterns of Capitalization to which Reference is Made Above.

It might interest Sir Knight to Know that Your Humble and Obedient Servant is not completely Ignorant of History; and, as a Frequent Visitor to the Aforementioned 18th Century, Your Humble and Obedient Servant finds the 18th Century Patterns of Capitalization to Work Quite Well for Him and to Not Seem at All Excessive. 18th Century Patterns of Capitalization Can Serve a Purpose; and "To Each His Own."

Best regards,

(s) Dionysios ^(talk), a Participant in the Wikiversity School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-07-29 (July 29, 2007) Time: 0640 UTC

I'm not arguing with your usage—if I thought it a bad thing that you used non-standard capitalization, I would have already corrected it myself (and that you are aware of the historicity of your usage makes me all the more happy to encourage you in your current usage). To avoid confusion, however (as very, very few individuals expect 18th century capitalization these days), you may desire to add a line saying something along the lines of "Much of this page employs 18th century, as opposed to modern, capitalization. This is intentional" somewhere near the top. This would help clue users in as to what is going on in the capitalization department. The Jade Knight 08:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Based on your Suggestion, a Statement has been added: The "School has Adopted its Own Manual of Style".

This is Considerably more Broad than "Much of this page employs 18th century, as opposed to modern, capitalization. This is intentional"; but it allows for much more Flexibility, for Your Servant Always a Primary Concern.

It is not until One accesses the actual Manual of Style that he learns that "Deviating from much Wikiversity and Wikipedia Practice, Capitals (Uppercase Letters) Are Frequently Used for Emphasis."; but it is there for whosoever Needs it.

Presumably, as the Manual of Style Grows, Capitalization and Perhaps Other Wikiversity Non-Standard Usages which may Become AGS Standard, such as the Perhaps Over-Abundant use of Boldface, the Perhaps Over-Abundant use of Links, and the Perhaps Over-Abundant use of Extreme Redundancy in Expression will find Justification as Pedagogical Tools.

Your Servant hopes so.

Best regards,

(s) Dionysios ^(talk), a Participant in the Wikiversity School of Advanced General Studies, Date: 2007-07-30 (July 30, 2007) Time: 1059 UTC

At least it should help those who stumble upon it. The Jade Knight 04:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

The Section under the Head "AGS Manual of Style" is Near the Top of the Page; and it would be Hard Not to Stumble Upon It. Nonetheless, The Text "Much of this Page employs 18th Century, as Opposed to Modern, Capitalization. This is Intentional and is Established by the Manual of Style." has been Added to the Section.

That Issue therefore Seems to Be No Longer a Possible Stumblingstone; but The Manual of Style Now Seems to Have Become the Major Endeavor of the School of Advanced General Studies. If that is What is Needed, So Be It.

Your Servant Surrenders. Peace. Terms.

Now Lettest Thou Thy Servant Depart in Peace. Thy Servant Must Return to Work.

Best regards,

(s) Dionysios ^(talk), a Participant in the Wikiversity School of Law, Date: 2007-07-31 (July 31, 2007) Time: 0608 UTC

Dignity Course

I am developing a Dignity course which may fit well here. If you like it, perhaps you can add it to the curriculum. (I hesitated to do this myself because I did not want to disturb the existing structure.)--Lbeaumont 22:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)