Portal talk:Music

Moved Sections

I've moved this here:

Should this section be re-added? This is not a wikiversity-layout, but a normal textbook.

Wikiversity School of Music

The wikiversity School of Music should not be used as just another book. Its intention was to become a school in the vein of other Wikiversity departments - offering courses, references to verious wb and non-wb texts, etc. The existing content should be moved to a book called 'music' and then perhaps made as the official textbook for this school.

By the way, I did mention ages ago on the project pages, about the ability to modify mediawiki to include MusicML rendering, to answer your other question.

My proposal is to move the existing content to a book called 'music' or 'music textbook' and reestablish the School of Music as what it should be

James

No!

Keep it as it is!

Ok!

Why not, you can do this if you want to - i have no idea of how to do this..

I think it should it should be called school of music Zie afeo (discuss • contribs) 19:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Zie afeo: There's probably not a lot of advantage to engaging in discussions that are 15 years old. Wikiversity has a School:Music and Dance. Please review Wikiversity:Namespaces for more on the differences between schools and portals. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 22:07, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Possibilities for online Music Notation

One way to implement the online display of music notation is to use something like GNU LilyPond. It can be used to generate pictures of music notation from text files on a web server.

I agree with GNU LilyPond because it can output png images and midi files. Someone could put a picture of the tune in the book. The picture could have a link to a midi file, outputed from LilyPond, of the tune. This would be pretty much as functional as niffty--mentioned bellow--but wouldn't require java or anything fancy except a graphical browser.

Another way would be to use some kind of a plug-in, ..or better yet a java applet like NIFFTY: http://niffty.sourceforge.net/

I'd like to be involved here at the wiki School of Music. I think this can really go places. I will be willing to contribute lessons and other training material for particular aspects of music which I'm good at. Some of the things I can see happening here would be style/genre theory and interactive flash tutorials.

Specific intruments?

Hello,
Are we looking to do specific instrumental courses? I would like to put a lot of work into beginner to intermediate courses on the trombone. And of course I intend to take an approach to it as a class, not a book.
Thanks,
--Martin 8 July 2005 21:48 (UTC)

I would so love vocal lessons or at least vocal exercises as a course here. --Chaizzilla 16:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey! That's strange - I was interested in posting a bunch of information about the trombone myself so I'm glad I checked the talk page. If someone could answer our question and, perhaps, set up a page where we could start working (I'm not sure of the conventions of how to do that: I just started), that would be great. I am really looking forward to contributing to Wikiversity and the trombone is the only thing that I really feel capable of giving others information about right now. Thanks, Soulaegis April 4, 2006

So ever since April 4 2006 nobody spoke about it any more I mean dis is 2021/2022 Zie afeo (discuss • contribs) 19:16, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Online four-part harmony checker

We have developed an online interactive four part harmony checker for learning how to write cadences online. The web page uses javascript, DHTML and CSS to provide a means for students to enter chord notes. The web page then sounds the adjacent chords and produces output on the page which tells the user the errors they have made with regard to the rules of four part harmony progression. NEW URL: http://bloople.net/scripts/music_mentor.htm

The student can then attempt to fix their errors until the feedback box tells them that no errors have been found. This tool is useful because learning and implementing all the rules of harmony is quite difficult and often requires many attempts before the student is successful. Having this function in an online format means that the student does not need to rub out their own work over and over or wait for a more knowledgable person to check their work. They get immediate feedback so it can save the work of teachers who would otherwise have to spend time checking individuals work. They can also carry this out online and hear the result of their chords rather than moving to and from a keyboard which is what most students do to check their four part harmony.

Another benfit of this page is that it requires no download, it works in a browser. Brenton Fletcher http://blog.bloople.net

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Thanks, Rosie and Brenton; on first sight this looks as if it could be a very useful teaching tool. I like the idea of having an online interactive music textbook with tools like yours and I hope other people here do too. Best wishes, David Kernow 00:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

How about having explanations of how to do music theory and aural tests?

Eh 2005 so long Zie afeo (discuss • contribs) 19:17, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

New contributor

Hello all! My name is John and I'm a third-year composition & theory student at William & Mary. I'd be happy to contribute whatever I can. I've had undergraduate training in counterpoint (including species counterpoint), harmony, and analysis, as well as some extra study in twelve-tone technique and pitch-class set theory, the latter of which I feel I could teach and write about at a decent level of competence (I'm now pretty familiar with all of the material covered in Forte's The Structure of Atonal Music). I would be particularly interested in contributing to Wiki material on pitch-class set theory. As I write this I've contributed to the beginner section on scales (on which I've chosen to use slightly set-theoretic language rather than more colloquial but less precise terms) and one or two other sections.

I also have my own wacky ideas about pantonal harmony from a practical standpoint if anyone's at all interested in that sort of thing.

Unfortunately I have no means to contribute any kind of graphics or diagrams, so I would love to work in conjunction with some other user(s) with these capabilities! (As well as collaborating on content, of course.)

• Hi John, I'd be interested in working with the graphics [I'll export them as pngs]. How would we work it out? Taeke

Administrator?

I see there are a lot of good ideas flying around here that could make the School of Music very successful, but it doesn't take much looking around to see that this School needs a good bit of work. For instance, most of the information from the "beginning," "intermediate," and "advanced" sections belongs under the "Theory" heading -- not to mention that it should be specified "Western" and "Tonal" theory where appropriate. Which leads me to my next comment -- that this School is Western-centric and should at least attempt to integrate "World" musics, "Folk" musics, "Popular" musics, etc. But why do all that when the same information is available through the Wikipedia? I'm sorry for presenting a problem and no real solutions, besides to strongly suggest that a well-qualified person or group of people take the reins here and dedicate themselves to making the School of Music effective and successful. I would do so myself, but I am neither qualified nor able to make the time commitment. Any volunteers? Music&Medicine 04:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Proposed new Layout

I've been browsing through some of the other schools around here and have seen that our layout here is not like any of the other schools. So I am proposing a new layout, to facilitate the University type feel that some of the other schools have accomplished. It would look something like this:

Departments/Faculty

Departments and faculty would be listed here, with each department and faculty name leading to either the list of courses in that department or to courses instructed by that faculty.

Courses

MUS114 - Music Theory I MUS115 - Ear-training I MUS313 - Music history I et al. (These course numbers are really not important, exept in case of the need for record keeping) Also these courses should be divided by level, so level 1 classes through 4 classes separated by "Beginner, Intermediate, etc" so that students can know right off the bat where to start.

Library

This is where all of those articles that have been written so far would go, and perhaps other wikibooks, for reference by students.

So I'll take it upon myself to do the changes needed, as long as nobody has any problem with this. I'm definitely open to suggestion, but if I don't see any response in the next few days, I'll go ahead and make the changes. I figure if someone doesnt step up to the plate, it will never get done. --Jechasteen 23:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I went ahead and did it. I've made a list of all the courses I'd personally like to see taught under the listing of Theory and Composition but if you want to see something else taught, you sure wouldnt hurt my feelings if you added to it (or subtracted from it). The numbers are just for the sake of knowing what order the courses should be taken, just like a real university. They could just as well be MUS1, MUS2. Could someone please start on possible course lists for the other areas? --Jechasteen 00:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd Love to Help

Sounds like this school is going to be great. I'd love to help with theory or musicology, but I'd rather work with someone, or under someone for that matter. Accordionman August 10 2006 (User:Accordionman, talk)

Me too. I'm an advanced pianist but I'm not sure how I can help here. It's a really cool idea though. (One of these days I'll figure out how to hook up my electronic piano to my computer..) --Fang Aili, talk 19:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC) (you'll have better luck contacting me here)

Basic Blues & Rock

Basic Blues & Rock is a Learning Group of Musicians who want to learn and share from a garage band styled environment. We're going to come up with our own wiki-based system of tabulature for displaying Blues & Rock progressions and other styles and genres.

We can do some collaborations:

• Wikiversity the Movie/music - participants make the sound track, including original music, for Wikiversity the Movie.
• Creating music with your PC - participants make music using their personal computer
• Audio Engineering - we're going to try to build a repository of original audio files, through a new podcasting project...
• Internet Audio - Wiki Campus Radio - Wikiversity's Web radio station, where we may eventially be able to facilitate Online Jam sessions. (who knows?)

But we have to start somewhere. I prefer to start with something familiar! :) CQ 15:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Music for wikio

Yet another idea with no one actively working on it. Here is my idea: Wikio need free content to play. Have people record a file of them singing, playing, or music they've created in some way. Someone could listen to it and verify it's not copyrighted. Then it could be spliced into the webradio run by wikiversity with a short "to give feedback on this, goto ____". That way people could get feedback on what they recorded, and the webradio could have some music. {Just and Idea. That is probably all I'm good at doing, coming up with ideas.)--Rayc 04:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Rayc: see above post. :P CQ 04:56, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Reorganizing music portal

@Guy vandegrift: @CQ:

What do you think of completely reorganizing the music portal ?

--Thierry613 (discuss • contribs) 15:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Short answer: If the portal is like most portals, it is badly in need of reorganization. Since you were the first person to touch the portal in 3 years (since November 2013), you should not hesitate to change it in any way you wish.

Long answer: I have no way to assess the value in organizing portals. Dave (@Dave Braunschweig:) has done a great deal of work in this area, and I know he has good judgement. Having said that, I have not made an independent assessment of the value in portal reorganization. Personally, I don't use categories or portals, even when searching Wikipedia or Commons -- instead I use Google. My personal effort at making Wikiversity more relevant is focused on promoting the Wikiversity Journal concept. (See also Second Journal of Science, and my editorial.) Just as I am unable to assess the efficacy of Dave's efforts at portal reorganization, I am unable to assess the prospects of creating wiki-journals in order to highlight quality materials. I do concede that the Journal idea is more speculative, and therefore less likely to succeed. But wouldn't it be fun if there were a dozen independent Wikiversity Journals, all competing for prestige, and all capable of "publishing" quality articles created by rewriting and reformating material found Wikiversity, Wikipedia, and Wikibooks?--Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 16:14, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

The Wikiversity Journal is a great idea. But I guess it requires a lot of energy and time.

Concerning portals, I help Dave in the (big) project of reorganizing the categories, cleaning old or uncategorized pages, and so on. From his point of view, portals have to be like departments/subdivisions of schools. As we have the School of Music and Dance, I try to imagine how we could reorganize the two portals :

• music
• dance

and the different existing resources. But it also requires a lot of time. --Thierry613 (discuss • contribs) 17:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

The current music portal was redesigned based on the vision that portals should effectively maintain themselves through updates to categories on content pages, since they (portals) tend not to be maintained manually. Anyone is welcome to redesign this as they wish. In considering a redesign, what improvements do you see that could or should be made? -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 18:01, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

It would be fine that schools and portals be in harmony each with the others. I am more interested by structure and logic than a particular color or design, boxes or other stuffs

I find the subpages and templates a little bit complicated for maintenance. --Thierry613 (discuss • contribs) 18:13, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

"I find the subpages and templates a little bit complicated for maintenance." - That's an interesting observation. One of the issues with the portal design is that the wikitext is more complicated, so subpages were used to allow editors to simply click on the Edit link and update that part of the portal. It was intended to make editing easier rather than more complicated. The templates shouldn't need to be edited, but probably could be simplified. Can you be more specific on the complications you're sensing? -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 18:23, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Maybe it is just a lack of practice. But as I intended to transfer music lessons from the school to the music portal, I wondered where to put them in ? Which box ? How to add a box, if needed ? etc. --Thierry613 (discuss • contribs) 20:00, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Take a look at one of the three-tabbed portals, such as Portal:Arts. That has boxes on the Learn tab for this purpose. Does that make it any better, or is that worse?

In terms of how to add a box to the existing page, you would just add a {{box-transclude|title}} where you want it to appear on the page. Then save the page. Once saved, that will appear as a red link that you can click on to create the subpage with the corresponding title. A Courses box would be {{box-transclude|Courses}}. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 20:45, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes ! Except for the colours, I like this portal pattern. Maybe the category tree could advantageously replace a handmade courses list. I will give it a try tomorrow. Thanks !--Thierry613 (discuss • contribs) 21:35, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

See Template:Tabbed portal for how to create it. Adding the additional tabs is very easy to do, with links available. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 23:55, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Join

Hello I need to take this course, How can I do?--Neurorebel (discuss • contribs) 21:23, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

difficult to edit?

perhaps this page could be made easier to edit? hmmmm Michael Ten (discuss • contribs) 15:53, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

oh, i found the edit button now that leads to edit Portal:Music/Introduction. oh well. limitless peace. Michael Ten (discuss • contribs) 15:57, 5 November 2022 (UTC)