Portal talk:Computer networks
Is cisco the only one doing certs relavant to this? Are there not others selling product into this and providing training and certs on it? NPOV should get those at least mentioned.--Dementednetman 03:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
- CompTIA have a Network+ certification people usually get before CCNP (Cisco) - (unsigned edit - 15:46, 22 January 2014 by 22.214.171.124)
- The original post was from 2007. Regarding NPOV, Wikiversity does not have an NPOV requirement. That's not to say we should ignore other vendors. Only that we don't have to be neutral.
- The IP edit brings up an important point. Networking is a series of learning efforts rather than a single certification. Cisco strongly recommends A+ before CCNA, which must come before CCNP. CCENT should be considered before CCNA, and I agree that Network+ should come before CCNA, although Cisco will never state that themselves.
Should we take a different tact?Edit
This is a good start, but I don't think we should be strictly a resource for network vendor certification links. I'd like to move the list of certifications and so on to a sub page, and talk about what we are/want to teach here. Historybuff 07:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- What about breaking it down to Home, Small Business, Large Business? --Kundarsa (discuss • contribs) 21:48, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
- Cisco has courses broken down that way, but I'm not familiar with any certifications isolated that way. Although, the further you go into networking certifications, the more enterprise-based they become.
- My personal perspective is that the effort necessary on Wikiversity isn't so much splitting up the different certifications available as it is selecting one and starting on linking content and creating activities. See Internet Protocol Analysis and Windows Server Administration for examples. -- Dave Braunschweig (discuss • contribs) 22:15, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Merge and organizeEdit
This topic began 10 December 2006 ... That topic began 25 September 2006. It is obvious to me and Lysander89 that a merger should be discussed, which we did on #wikiversity-en. I'm thinking we should contact all the contributors and notify them about this discussion. I have no preconceived notion about how the Topic group will rally or even if it will. I simply propose that we contact as many of the contributors as possible and try to get all of this organized into a logical whole. Here in the Topic: namespace is where people come together to develop learning resources in the (main) namespace. Topic:Computer networks has more contributers than Topic:Networking so I initialized the discussion here. There may be more things in the Topic area that could be merged, but all this is secondary to the (main) resources about networking. What is really important is that people come together to get things organized. Hopefully we can light a fire under School:Computer Science and get this place cleaned up. CQ 06:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- I see this page as the central page for all networking related information, since this is linked from the main computer science portal page. People looking for information regarding networking are more likely to find it through the computer science portal (or the school of computer science page - more will be discussed later) The topic:networking page has quite a few resources and a few structured courses that we can consider merging with the current courses listed here. Of course more discussion must be had regarding how we want to structure our courses here, but we'll worry about centralizing all networking related page here first. Lysander89 23:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- I have thrown in another page that would be worthy of merger (considering their titles only differ by one letter). Some of the existing content here may be useful and could be recycled into useful courses that newcomers could take. Lysander89 11:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I would suggest reorganizing this page as Computer Networks is a very huge field need to be discussed in a better way rather than what have been done currently. Count me in for any sort of discussion and contribution required from my end. I'm away these days for APNIC meeting till the end of this month. Kindly suggest and my recommendation is to form a team of all active contributors. my 2 cents.
- Thank you for your input. The existing list of contributors was last updated a long time ago, and perhaps many of the original contributors have left. We can still pick up where they have left off, by recreating the list of active users. We are still in discussion stages as to how we want to unify all the related pages on networking, followed by how we want to teach courses related to networking. The list of certification courses may or may not be required (or even up to date), so we will consider where it will go when we start to reorganise the page. Lysander89 12:24, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hi its good to see some life around here! At the moment I'm pretty busy however I'd be happy to partake in any discussions and provide any knowledge I may have that could be beneficial to this project. Maybe a dedicated IRC channel might be a good starting point, I had a look at the #wikiversity-en channel but frankly its a mess. --Dphiance 23:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Well after my very long hiatus...I have performed a quick and dirty merger of the 2 pages. The merger tags have been removed and the pages have been set to redirect to this page. Relevant content such as introductions and course content has been copied over. Lists of 'active users' have been left out. The next step from here is to start pruning the stuff we may not need, and then rearranging content from the stuff that we have into something cohesive and presentable. This project is never dead, keep working at it! Lysander89 10:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
After the merger performed not too long ago it is not hard to see that there are swathes of information hanging around related to various introductions to the topic of networking. We need to come together and determine a formal structure for teaching courses related to the department of computer networks. There are many places we can begin, cabling, TCP/IP model etc etc. Personally I see it this way:
- General introduction to networking, everyday technologies powered by networks.
- Top down approach using the TCP/IP model. I believe there is an hourglass model which can demonstrate this.
- Application Layer
- Transport Layer
- Network Layer
- Link Layer
Information that will definitely fit into this area beneath what I have listed includes LAN, wireless networks, security, cryptography etc. Please do not spawn new Topics under computer networks. It would be better if they were called courses, or some other learning resource. My understanding of the structure is portals (comp sci) -> schools (School of CS) -> Topics (Computer Networking) -> Course (intro, App Layer etc). I hope others share my view on this.
Hope to see people add to my list here and throw in some comments about the direction of this topic, doing this kind of feels like I'm talking to myself on a desert island. Everyone is free to come and go in adding information, and joining in discussions. We've all got commitments in life but it also heartwarming to know that your knowledge will benefit some student who can't afford higher education but is willing to learn and help himself in self improvement.
Lysander89 08:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Added heading for computer science unofficial degreeEdit
I'd like to add a topic area for protocol analysis. The content will be based on an Internet Protocols course I have taught for many years. The learning resources will include a variety of hands-on network captures using Wireshark.
This topic doesn't seem to fit under the existing topics. It is more encompassing, ultimately including each of the protocol levels already indicated.
Does the community have an opinion on whether or how this should be added and organized? I accept the instruction to "be bold", but I don't want to offend those who already have a vision for the Computer Networks / Networking space.
- Not many editors are currently active, if you have some content that you want to add - really do feel free to be bold! Use your best judgement on where it should go, and try to not to disturb the layout too too much (unless you feel like trying to give it all a bit of a facelift - again, very few people are actually maintaining the CS pages). You should add your new course to the Computer Science Course Listing.
- Thanks for the advice! I've decided to start by adding activities, and will work my way up to a course once there's enough content to build it from. For now my activities are being added to the Category:Networking or Category:Operating Systems listings, as appropriate.
- I've now added a topic for Internet Protocol Analysis. Content-wise it's about half finished. Activity-wise there's a good bit to go yet, but I plan on using it for a course that starts in mid January, so it will be done in the next month or two.
Topic vs. (main)Edit
After adding a topic today, I realized that topics do not appear in standard search results. Searches only return (main) pages unless you search for Topic:. This also presents problems in terms of proper case, as a user typing Topic:internet then won't find a Topic:Internet resource.
I propose moving the Topic: topics under networking to the (main) namespace so users can find them.