Talk:Response testing/WMF Projects/previous

I was looking for a discussion about the 'clean up' tag - this page has actually been useful to me in this form, so I'd prefer it to live on rather than be merged back into the history (or to be deleted) - I'm not sure I see any downside, but will happily respond to any concerns raised - this page is on my watchlist now :-) Privatemusings 05:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

It might be better for this to be available in history, and merge into history would accomplish that. Anything in history, absent revision deletion, can be read by anyone, all it takes is a reference to the specific version. Since this was a restored page, from a copy elsewhere, the history will be defective, and it would be better if the original page is undeleted and blanked with an explanation, possibly a merge. I can't see the best option without a more detailed review, which I don't have time for.

The objection to the use of Wikiversity as a possible coordinating body for "response testing" was reasonable. Censorship, i.e., page deletion out of process was not, it is enough that offensive material be removed by ordinary wiki deletion -- far more offensive material is allowed to exist in history on Wikipedia, including libel, copyvio, etc., but it remains in history. Actual page deletion simply confines visibility to custodians. It is as if the personnel files at a university were available only to the janitor, but not the actual administration, which is the community. The community cannot make intelligent decisions if it does not have access to the information.

Private musings, you can see how any page looks by doing an edit to the Sandbox. You can even save it, if, for example, you want to make sure that no link is blacklisted. (Notice [1] where a custodian reverts material that had been removed as offensive, in order to check for blacklisting -- which would have been offensive, probably an abuse of the global blacklist, for content control.)

Having written this, my conclusion is that undeletion of the original page should be requested, with either full or selective blanking, and with or without a merge. The goal would be to have the page history accessible, as well as the content. This page and the flap over it is important to Wikiversity and WMF history, access should not be confined, there is nothing here so hot as to require that. If I have time, I'll request the undeletion, and, at the same time, this page could be deleted -- or blanked, with a soft redirect, so that discussion of this page remains coherent. --Abd 13:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

there seem to be 4 folk in the wikiverse with a view on this page at the mo - I too hope it can remain accessible, but really don't mind how. cheers, Privatemusings 22:31, 20 October 2010 (UTC)