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The diagram depicts the motion of the solar system barycenter relative to the Sun. Credit: Carl Smith and Rubik-wuerfel.
The diagram depicts the solar system barycenter motion relative to a circle the size of the Sun for b2k to 2050. Credit: Larry McNish.

This laboratory is an activity for you to create a method for locating the Sun. While it is part of the astronomy course principles of radiation astronomy, it is also independent.

Some suggested locating entities to consider are electromagnetic radiation, neutrinos, mass, time, Euclidean space, Non-Euclidean space, radar, sonar, line of sight, and spacetime.

More importantly, there are your locating entities. You are being asked to find a way to quantitatively and directly locate the Sun relative to a familiar Earth location.

You may choose to define your locational entities or use those already available.

Usually, research follows someone else's ideas of how to do something. But, in this laboratory you can create these too as long as they solve the problem of locating the Sun.




evaluation activity

This is an astronomy Sun locator laboratory, but you may create what a locator is.

Yes, this laboratory is structured.

I will provide an example of a technique to locate the Sun experimentally. The rest is up to you.

Questions, if any, are best placed on the discussion page.

When you register as a user on Wikiversity you can also use subpages to complete the various lessons, laboratories, and problem sets associated with the course principles of radiation astronomy. A subpage can look like your username/my Locating the Sun laboratory report, for example, where the "/" separates the page from the subpage. The subpage is in your user space. Once completed you can ask for evaluation, if you wish or move your subpage to, for example, Stars/Sun/Locating the Sun/my Locating the Sun laboratory report.


Main source: Notations

You are free to create your own notation or use that already presented. A method to statistically assess your locator is also needed.

Control groupsEdit

Main source: Control groups

For creating a solar locator, what would make an acceptable control group? Think about a control group to compare your locator or your process of location for the Sun to.


Generally, the Sun is not transparent to any known wavelength of electromagnetic radiation. Metal atoms in the photosphere prevent most wavelengths of radiation from traveling through the Sun. A laser oriented on the surface of Mercury to transmit a beam to the Earth, even when the Sun occults Mercury relative to Earth, would not work.


Animation of Mercury's and Earth's revolution around the Sun. Credit: Lookang, Todd K. Timberlake and Francisco Esquembre.

As the animation at right suggests, if Earth and Mercury were coplanar in their orbits around the Sun, Mercury would transit across the Sun at least three times in an Earth year.

This can also be directly derived from the known synodic period for Mercury with the Earth of 115.88 d.[1] The Sun could then be approximately located by the intersection of the three rays from Earth through Mercury into the Sun. As long as the three rays are extended far enough past their mutual intersection, this intersection would be the location of the Sun.


This is a snapshot of the planetary orbital poles. Credit: Urhixidur.

Although the eccentricity of Mercury's orbit may change the coplanar transit events, the actual reason for the rarity of transits is the lack of coplanarity. The figure at right shows the approximate locations of the poles of the various planet orbits.

Mercury's orbital pole is closest to the Sun's north pole, while Earth's is in the grouping above and to the right of Mercury's.

Historical transitsEdit

Past Transits of Mercury
Transits of Mercury
Date of
Time (UTC) Notes Images
Start Mid End
743 Oct 28
1342 Oct 21
1631 Nov 7 Observed by Pierre Gassendi.
1651 Nov 3 Observed by Jeremy Shakerly in Surat, reported in letter to Henry Osbourne, January 1652. Shakerly is thought to have died in India around 1655.[2]
1661 May 3 Occurred on the day of the Coronation of King Charles II of England. Observed by Christiaan Huygens in London.
1677 Nov 7 Observed by Edmund Halley in St Helena, Richard Towneley in Lancashire, Jean Charles Gallet in Avignon; as reported in letter from John Flamsteed to Johannes Hevelius 23 May 1678 [3]
1743 Nov 5 Coordinated scientific observations were organized by Joseph-Nicolas Delisle worldwide.
1753 May 6  
1769 Nov 9 23:09 Observed by Charles Green and James Cook from Mercury Bay in New Zealand.[4] Noted that Mercury had little or no atmosphere.
1802 Nov 9 06:16 08:58 11:41  
1815 Nov 12 00:20 02:33 04:46  
1822 Nov 5 01:04 02:25 03:45  
1832 May 5 09:04 12:25 15:47  
1835 Nov 7 17:35 20:08 22:41  
1845 May 8 16:24 19:37 22:49  
1848 Nov 9 11:07 13:48 16:28  
1861 Nov 12 05:21 07:19 09:18  
1868 Nov 5 05:28 07:14 09:00  
1878 May 6 15:16 19:00 22:44  
1881 Nov 7 22:19 00:57 03:36  
1891 May 9 23:57 02:22 04:47  
1894 Nov 10 15:58 18:35 21:11  
1907 Nov 14 10:24 12:07 13:50  
1914 Nov 7 09:57 12:03 14:09  
1924 May 8 21:44 01:41 05:38  
1927 Nov 10 03:02 05:46 08:29  
1937 May 11 08:53 08:59 09:06 Only visible as partial transit in Southern Africa, Southern Arabia, South Asia and Western Australia.
1940 Nov 11 20:49 23:21 01:53  
1953 Nov 14 15:37 16:54 18:11  
1957 May 6 23:59 01:14 02:30  
1960 Nov 7 14:34 16:53 19:12 [5]
1970 May 9 04:19 08:16 12:13 [6]
1973 Nov 10 07:47 10:32 13:17 [7]
1986 Nov 13 01:43 04:07 06:31 [8]
1993 Nov 6 03:06 03:57 04:47 [9]
1999 Nov 15 21:15 21:41 22:07 [10] Partial transit in Australia, Antarctica and New Zealand's South Island
2003 May 7 05:13 07:52 10:32 [11]
2006 Nov 8 19:12 21:41 00:10 [12]

Synodic periodEdit

Using the last visible transit of 2006 11 08, and an approximate synodic period of 116 d, the two previous passes of Mercury occurred on 2006 07 15 and 2006 03 21. On these two previous days there is no direct observation of Mercury in front of the Sun by line of sight, but the dates are based on observations of the synodic period.

To verify the synodic period, the last three visible transits should be approximate multiples of the period.

Accumulating total days and approximate synodic period
Transit date Number of days  Synodic periods Closest pass Days to pass Number of periods Needed days
1999 11 15 0 0 1999 11 15 0 0 0
2003 05 07 1269 10.9 2003 05 07 15+31+366+365+365+31+28+31+30+7 10.95 +6
2006 11 08 2550 22.006 2006 11 08 366+365+365+24+30+31+31+30+31+8 22.006 -1
2016 05 09 3470 315.455 2016 05 09 365+366+365+365+365+366+365+365+365+22+31+31+29+31+30+9 315 -5

The synodic period varies by about ±4.0 d.

The three raysEdit

The three rays even without visible transits of Mercury across the Sun should have occurred on 2006 03 21, 2006 07 15, and 2006 11 08.

Relative to the fixed background stars, each of these days has a specific right ascension. The first occurs 80 d into the year so (80 d/365 d)*24 h = 5h 15m 37s. The second occurs 196 d into the year or (196 d/365 d)*24 h = 12h 53m 16s. The third occurs 312 d into the year or (312 d/365 d)*24 h = 20h 30m 54s.

The ecliptic for each of these rays should be in Taurus, Virgo, and Capricornus, respectively. The declinations are approximately +23.2°, -5.0°, and -18.5°.

In summary, the three rays whose approximate intersection or closest pass locates the Sun within a small volume are

  1. RA 5h 15m 37s Dec +23.2°, with a range of RA 5h 01m 48s Dec +23.2° to RA 5h 29m 25s Dec +23.2°,
  2. RA 12h 53m 16s Dec -5.0°, with a range of RA 13h 07m 4s Dec -5.0° to RA 12h 39m 27s Dec -5.0°, and
  3. RA 20h 30m 54s Dec -18.5°, with a range of RA 20h 44m 43s Dec -18.5° to RA 20h 17m 6s Dec -18.5°.

For the recorded transit days, the corresponding RAs are

  1. 1999 11 15 319 d/365 d)*24 h = 20h 58m 31s
  2. 2003 05 07 127 d/365 d)*24 h = 8h 21m 2s
  3. 2006 11 08 312 d/365 d)*24 h = 20h 30m 54s
  4. 2016 05 09 130 d/365 d)*24 h = 8h 31m 29s

The ecliptic for each of these rays should be in Capricornus, Aries, Capricornus, and Aries, respectively. The declinations are approximately -18.5°, +18°, -18.5°, and +18°. A supplemental ray can be

  1. RA 12h 53m 16s Dec -5.0°, with a range of RA 13h 07m 4s Dec -5.0° to RA 12h 39m 27s Dec -5.0°,

Intersection volumeEdit

The measurement of the solar parallax would use


The actual distance between each measurement is the chord between the two measurement points rather than 1 AU. This displacement (d1, d2, or d3) is given by


where   is the angle between the first and second passes.

Using the Universal coordinate converter to obtain the angle between passes yields 114.38°, 111.27°, and 134.34°. d1 = 0.8405 AU, d2 = 0.8255 AU, and d3 = 0.9217 AU.


The ranges for the angles then yield the approximate intersection volume for the Sun's location.

The distance to the Sun varies for the error (standard deviation) in d1 from 0.9829 to 1.019 AU.

The distance to the Sun varies for the error in d2 from 0.9818 to 1.020 AU.

The distance to the Sun varies for the error in d3 from 0.9889 to 1.012 AU.

These suggest that the position of the Sun along each ray varies from about 0.9845 to 1.017 AU, or at the extreme limits for the standard deviation in the synodic period from 0.9818 to 1.020.


For an AU = 1.496 x 108 km, the extremes from these back-of-the-envelope calculations suggest that because of the variations in the synodic period of Mercury the intersection or location volume of the Sun may vary from 0.9818 (1.469 x 108 km) to 1.020 (1.526 x 108 km. The location of the Sun may vary from about 2.7 million to 3.0 million kilometers during a given year, or about 2 %, from a central position.

The durations of passes or transits may be upwards of 8 h. This suggests that the variations in the synodic period relate directly to the variations of the orbit of Mercury. While the Sun may move throughout the year, including changes in its diameter, there is no direct evidence that the Sun is outside Mercury's orbit (about 50 million kilometers in diameter) at any time.

A greater number of transits would likely reduce the error on the Sun's location using line of sight.

The mean diameter of the Sun's photosphere is 1,392,684 km. The large variations suggested here would amount to more than four solar radii in either direction from a possible central position. It may be the case that the coronal cloud around the Sun affects Mercury's orbit regarding its synodic period.


A series of elementary back-of-the envelope calculations has verified using recent transits of Mercury between the Sun and the Earth that the location of the Sun is well within the orbit of Mercury and probably within 2 % of a central position. At the extreme the position of the Sun may be well away from the barycenter for the solar system.



The location of the Sun using Mercury Transits

by --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 23:44, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


A series of simple back-of-the-envelope calculations starting from three recent transits of the Sun by Mercury demonstrate that the Sun is highly likely to be well within the orbit of Mercury and within a few solar diameters of the solar system barycenter.


The Sun is probably the only astronomical object in the solar system whose position cannot be verified by direct radiation astronomy. This presents certain theoretical limitations on the forces controlling the solar system. Use of transits such as Mercury between the Sun and the Earth may help to impose practical limits on the Sun's real location.


Starting from historical records of Mercury transits and the known synodic period, a number of experiments regarding coplanarity and actual transit dates are used to calculate rays with RA and Dec that should limit the Sun's locational volume.


The Sun's position along each ray tested may vary from about 0.98 to 1.12 AU.


Limitations on the actual solar position may further refine these calculations by considering variations in Mercury's orbit and the Sun's coronal cloud.


The Sun's position is demonstrated with several Mercury transits to be around 2 % of the barycenter of the solar system.


To assess your locator, including your justification, analysis and discussion, I will provide such an assessment of my example for comparison and consideration.


Variations in the Earth's orbit and Mercury's orbit during 2006 which are likely available in archives or databases could have possibly reduced the uncertainty in the Sun's location.


Main source: Hypotheses
  1. The Sun is not at the barycenter for the Solar System.
  2. The May 9, 2016 w:Transit of Mercury can be combined with the above to improve the location of the Sun.

See alsoEdit


  1. "Mercury Fact Sheet". NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. November 30, 2007. Retrieved 2008-05-28. 
  2. Chapman, A. (1985), Transactions of the Historical Society of Lancashire and Cheshire Volume 135 pp 1–14
  3. Eric G. Forbes et al. (1995), Correspondence of John Flamsteed Volume 1, Institute of Physics Publishing, p. 624-627
  4. Wayne Orchiston 1994, James Cook and the 1769 Transit OF Mercury, Carter Observatory ISSN 1173–7263
  5. "1960 Transit of Mercury". HM Nautical Almanac Office. UK Hydrographic Office. November 5, 2007. Retrieved May 30, 2012. 
  6. "1970 Transit of Mercury". HM Nautical Almanac Office. UK Hydrographic Office. November 5, 2007. Retrieved May 30, 2012. 
  7. "1973 Transit of Mercury". HM Nautical Almanac Office. UK Hydrographic Office. November 5, 2007. Retrieved May 30, 2012. 
  8. "1986 Transit of Mercury". HM Nautical Almanac Office. UK Hydrographic Office. November 5, 2007. Retrieved May 30, 2012. 
  9. "1993 Transit of Mercury". HM Nautical Almanac Office. UK Hydrographic Office. November 5, 2007. Retrieved May 30, 2012. 
  10. "1999 Transit of Mercury". HM Nautical Almanac Office. UK Hydrographic Office. November 5, 2007. Retrieved May 30, 2012. 
  11. "2003 Transit of Mercury". HM Nautical Almanac Office. UK Hydrographic Office. November 5, 2007. Retrieved May 30, 2012. 
  12. "2006 Transit of Mercury". HM Nautical Almanac Office. UK Hydrographic Office. November 5, 2007. Retrieved May 30, 2012. 

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