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Security concerns and WV extensionEdit

Hi Guy,

It's been some time since I had a Mediawiki install under my fingertips, so I can't comment on the validity of the security concern that has been expressed. I'm busy trying to get some stuff organized IRL, but if I can carve out some time I intend to get a MW instance going and publicly accessible. I can take a peek into the extension at that point. I have more immediate interest in getting a bot or two working, but I think the extension could be a noble cause and might be something that generates interest. Historybuff (discusscontribs) 04:11, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I am managing to create the table, e.g., at Wright State University Lake Campus/Mock Course 101a, but it will be much easier to use that extension. This is just a guess, but I think the "security" issues revolve around the fact that the w:Wikipedia:Wiki Ed people are so busy placating persnickety Wikipedia editors that they too busy to deal with Wikiversity pages. There is also the issue of reputation, the Wiki Ed people are working hard to make the extension work on Wikipedia (and I think they are succeeding). If they install it on Wikipedia and it fails, or worse yet, causes trouble, it hurts the brand. I will be rooting for you to get that extension installed!--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 11:12, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
I also think the extension needs to be different on WV. The subpage structure of WV creates much more chaos, causing confusion among students as to where to write something. As I plan to use it, the extension on WV will be less concerned with telling students how to write. As it is currently used on WP, the extension tends to let student freely chose what articles to improve, with the understanding that the work must get past the established editors. Another role that WV can play is to write resources that are not suitable on WP, such as lab reports, short stories and poems. In my Astronomy course this Spring, students will be tasked with editing hundreds of multiple choice questions. Some need to be edited. But instead of editing the actual questions (which would cause utter chaos for me), students are given four pages on which they report the problems. Each of these four pages constitutes the study guide for a midterm exam. They report the problems on a separate page.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 12:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
For me, it's important that there be a FLOW of information that is contained in a "course" or "lesson". The idea is that knowledge flow from teacher to learner, and assessment info flow from learner to teacher. There also should be some opportunity for exchange of ideas between learners as well. The formal wiki parts don't do a great job of making the flow easy and consistent; I'd argue as is, they are an impediment, as the main force behind a wiki is incremental improvement, where learning happens in many ways, some not well suited to a wiki. Let me get past some of my IRL stuff and I'll be able to give you a more informed opinion on the extension. Historybuff (discusscontribs) 19:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
What motivates me is that despite claims to the contrary, most first and second year college courses involve the acquisition of facts and skills that can be easily tested online. If Google can make a computer that drives a car through traffic, we should be able to cut the cost of college education in half by computer aided education. Or, we can keep the cost the same and give students twice as much meaningful individual attention. I like to say that there are 1000 facts and skills that no college professor should have to teach. I don't have the answer, but I am confident that there is a small chance I could develop part of it using the quizbanks and labs. My astronomy students, unfortunately, focus only on learning the questions in the test bank. So, I want each student to contribute X number of questions, OR convert X multiple choice questions into short answer questions. That way I can give a multiple choice test, and ask students to give short answers to 3 questions that I select from that quiz. On labs, we have the perennial problem of students copying from prior lab reports that they get from fellow students. So, instead of writing lab reports, I want them to improve reports that are already on Wikiversity.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 02:14, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
I think there is a lot of promise in some aspects of Computer Aided Education; I'm just concerned that courses don't become the terrible Computer-Based Training (CBT) type videos which were popular a decade ago.
Reading what you wrote, I think I see something that is important -- Students who have learned to "play" the system for the highest mark. This is also seen on the commercial side, in the "metrics" game; just because you can test for something, doesn't mean it's useful, so we should be mindful of what and how we test. I'm guessing you are focused on undergrad work here, and I'm not sure on the learning objectives for the courses, but my feeling is you want students to "learn", and not just rewrite old labs and master a list of multiple choice quiz bits. Do you have a link to a course outline that I could ponder? And Happy New Year! Historybuff (discusscontribs) 23:28, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
@Historybuff: For a course outline try Astronomy college course, which I will be teaching this summer using Wright_State_University_Lake_Campus/2016-1/Phy1060. I wish I knew more of those CBT type videos that you are talking about. I believe you were the one who posed the question "What is Wikiversity?". That was a good question. Are you interested in hosting an essay contest on that question? We could post a link to the question on the main page where the authors could post their drafts. The question came to mind as I was thinking that a significant difference between Wikiversity and most other computer-based learning environments is that we can assign to students the task of improving the resource. I just recently added the icons to Astronomy college course. The top of that page has a link to Category:Inline icons where you will see the meaning of the following icon:

just curiousEdit

Re: [1] I'm curious, you are using Matlab to generate Excel formatted wikitables? --mikeu talk 15:57, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes and no, and almost:
Yes = I know how to do it and have created tables like Wright State University Lake Campus/2016-1/Phy1060. The sofware actually creates the entire page so that I can upgrade in three steps: (excel-run(matlab)-paste)
No = I don't have a generic code.
Almost = I would be happy to write that code if anybody needs it. Do you?
While I have your attention, I noticed Cosmological_simulations and would like to create a course on it. It would consist of a subpage that looks like Wright State University Lake Campus/2016-1/Phy1060, with an invitation for "outsiders" to also enroll. My current Lake Campus Students will receive credit for contributions made this spring. One reason I wrote this software was the poor quality of most student contribution whenever these contributions were required by a college course. By giving each student a subpage, we can referee their contributions before promoting them into Cosmological_simulations. Any objections...advice?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:16, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
No, I don't have a need for that at this time, just wondering. This is the sort of thing that could potentially be automated by [User:Mu301Bot]], except for the initial input. I would be interested in helping with the simulation project. I never was able to get Starscream to compile and run properly. I have some animations that I generated from Gadget years ago at [2]. You are more than welcome to use them CC BY-SA. I uploaded a copy and included on the lesson page, but the quality did not turn out as good as the original. --mikeu talk 16:55, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

I really like , but am struggling about how to create an introductory astronomy lesson on this. Here are my ideas so far:

  1. Make permalinks to w:Structure formation and w:Interacting galaxy and ask students to write quiz questions. We could do this on a Cosmological_simulations/EduV, where my students would be enrolled, along with any others who want to join. Of all my ideas, this is the only one I am confident would work, since students have contributed quality questions in the past.
  2. Ask students to write brief essays on the broad topic of computer simulations. Most of my students are not science majors, but everybody needs to know something about computer simulations because they impact our lives (for example in climate and weather predictions).
  3. Finally, a "pet" project of mine: Many years ago I was a student of plasma physics and was told that there was a gravitational analog of Plasma oscillations. Could that be simulated? If so, we could generate multiple choice questions that verify students' understanding of the basic formula. (I don't remember the details, but I am pretty sure you substitute mG for e in the formula, where m is the mass of a star).

   What should this be called?
Answer: EduV.

-- As you can see, I voted for EduV. Yours truly, --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:32, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

I've added a couple of references that give a broader background on the importance of simulations in science that are probably more appropriate for students with a non-science background. Let me know what direction you'd like the class to take, and I'll try to help out. --mikeu talk 21:36, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
@Mu301: Thanks. This semester we will be doing most of our work on cleaning up the quizzes that I already wrote. I will probably do little more than ask students to look at Cosmological_simulations and pose some questions and/or write brief summaries of the articles you linked out of that resource. Also, the simulations might be better suited for How Things Work, which I don't teach until Fall or maybe Summer. I do need to develop galaxies and cosmology in the Astronomy course, so I am certain to get to Cosmological_simulations sometime in the near future.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 22:46, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

my contributionsEdit

howdy Guy iam currently working with Dave on collabing. --DonLandry2 (discusscontribs) 19:41, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Announcement of intent to protect quiz pagesEdit

I believe it is the duty of a Custodian to follow as much as lead, so I am asking permission from the community to begin to routinely protect my quizzes. I ask here on my user page because I am confident that nobody objects. I will link to this section on future pages that I protect.

In the past I had about 60 students in a given semester (small college) who all used the quizzes. There were approximately two acts of vandalism against my 84 quizzes in the past two years, and none seem to have come from my students. But, in the past, my students did not routinely edit Wikiversity. Now each student will be required to contribute, and in my Astronomy course, they will be required to improve the quizbank, which also serves as a studyguide for the exams. I have devised a scheme whereby they make contributions to a subpage of each quiz question -- we certainly don't want students to make last minute edits to a studyguide prior to an exam. My concern here, is accidental editing by students to the studyguide instead of the subpage reserved for improving the study guide.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 20:18, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

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Inline iconsEdit

Thank you for creating Category:Inline icons. I was looking for something like this just the other day. --mikeu talk 18:36, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

@Mu301:Be very careful-They only work reliably when they begin a line and there is no space between the icon and the text. Compare for example:

INSERT COMMENT: I THINK DAVE SHOWED ME HO TO FIX THIS BUG. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 19:31, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

{{IconWPinline}}This has no space.

{{IconWPinline}} This has a space.

{{IconWPinline}}{{IconWPinline}}Double icon with no space before first  word.

Here the icon was placed later in the line: {{IconWPinline}}This also has no space.

Renders like this:

 This has no space.

  This has a space.

  Double icon with no space before first word.

Here the icon was placed later in the line:  This also has no space.

--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 18:54, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

<noinclude> has to be on the end of the last line of content to be included. Otherwise, you include the newline at the end of the line. Template corrected. Test again. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:09, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


Is the 2nd WV supposed to be a WP? "WV with much less interference than they will experience on WV" [3] --mikeu talk 00:04, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

@Mu301:Hey, I'm delighted that you read it. I will check and fix it. Meanwhile, when I get the time, I will (1)Write a protected-page announcement with language that makes it clear that we are friendly towards anybody who want to protect a page, and (2) include in that announcement a link to a page that explains why there is no reason to protect most pages.
Also, in the past year or so we have adopted an unofficial policy of allowing any page, provided it gets moved to a place that is not copyvio or otherwise strictly prohibited. The page gets placed in some obscure corner of WV, usually as a subpage. I hope we can continue with that policy because doing otherwise is time consuming. So my question is this: Perhaps we should take the same approach and allow people to overprotect their pages. If it is a worthless page, why not allow the protection to stand? If some nutcase is an expert and and excellent writer and wants to protect his pages, why interfere with the eccentricities of a genius? We are Wikiversity and we have to get used to odd people. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 00:43, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


Hey Guy Vandegrift! As I was looking through Special:BrokenRedirects, I came across two of your pages (in your userspace). I'm going to let you deal with it however you would like it to be, as I don't really like to edit pages in another user's userspace. This is just a heads up so the list can be empty :-) Thank you! ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 00:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

I like what you are doingEdit

Hello this Egm3520.s13.Jeandona responding to a message you left on my profile.

1) Are you involved with a course where students are expected to contribute to Wikiversity? If so, I am currently working on templates to facilitate that activity. See Wright_State_University_Lake_Campus/2016-1/Phy1060. I was involved in such a course, EGM 3520 (Mechanics of Materials) tought at UF, where uploads to Wikiversity was a requirement. However, currently when I upload to Wikiversity it is because it is a very helpful Latex compiler.

2) Do you know of any schools that are using your engineering materials? Yes, I am a student from the University of Florida and the course material on my profile is mostly from Materials of Mechanics and Hydrodynamics (Also called Fluid Mechanics). I am also familiar with the material on Fluid Mechanics used at the National Programme on Technology Enhanced Learning (NPTEL). Please, let me know if I could be of any further service to you. --Egm3520.s13.Jeandona (discusscontribs) 17:05, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. We have two things in common: (1) I too use Wikiversity for its Latex compilation, and (2) many years ago I did plasma physics, mostly from a fluid-dynamics point of view (Magnetohydrodynamics). You are more than welcome to stay in this conversation, but I need to see if the University of Florida is interested in collaborating with me on the issue of managing student contributions on Wikiversity. How do I contact them?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:15, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Also, I am interested in starting creating an online refereed presence on Wikiversity. Ultimately it could grow in prestige to become an actual refereed journal. The trick is not to protect pages, but to permalink them. I jotted down some crazy ideas at Wikiversity_as_a_haven_for_lone_wolves. This link is a permalink that nobody can edit. Anybody, even an unregistered IP editor, can create such an uneditable document. The refereed journal would consist of a Wikiversity page that contains such permalinks. All I need is two people willing to become either editors, referees, or writers. We will restrict ourselves to educational resources within the scope of currently taught courses. Interested?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:30, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

How do I contact them? I'm sorry for not relying earlier; I don't receive any notification about replies to this conversation.

I was involved in EGM 3520 (Mechanics of Materials) taught by Dr. Loc Vu-Quoc, where uploads to Wikiversity was used for the entire structure of his course. You can retrieve his contact information at his homepage

Refereed presence on Wikiversity Yes, I am interested, however, the scope of materials that I would have to contribute to seems a bit overwhelming. If you could provide me with anymore detail about what my role would be as a referee or editor that would be great. My Email:

--Egm3520.s13.Jeandona (discusscontribs) 21:23, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Online JournalEdit

You should take a look at Wikiversity Journal of Medicine, and perhaps discuss ideas with Mikael Häggström, the senior editor. This seems to be an effective approach and picks up 5 to 15 daily readers. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:47, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I copied a lot from there and have a draft. It's still under construction but has its first "article" (unrefereed because the only editor is the only contributor. See First Journal of Science--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 03:09, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


So your class has set down? :P ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 19:07, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

what do you mean?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 19:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Is your class active now on Wikiversity? I see a bunch of new accounts made by you, and out of my curiosity... I'd like to know ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 19:19, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I will have about 64 students, all writing on Wikiverity. Terrifying thought, isn't it.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 01:31, 12 January 2016 (UTC;;)
Not necessarily :-P More contributions and more users on the RC board! (btw I'll help cleanup anything that the students drop off ;-)) ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 01:49, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
The whole idea of dashboards like this is so we can control where they leave their stuff.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 01:52, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Very organizing! ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 01:54, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the board!Edit

All responses from board members regarding your request were positive, so I hereby welcome you to the editorial board of Wikiversity Journal of Medicine! As seen on the journal's About-page, I try to post relevant updates to the journal at Talk:Wikiversity Journal of Medicine, but I'd say most discussions among editorial board members still take place by email. We generally post copies to, which forwards a copy to an email address of each member of the board. So I'd like to know what email you would like you use for getting email updates - please email it to and I will then add it to the mailing list of
Right now the main issue is to attract authors to submit works to the journal. Gwinyai Masukume and I recently submitted an article about the journal to Journal of Electronic Publishing, which will increase awareness of what we're doing, if accepted. You are very welcome to provide further ideas in reaching out. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 14:14, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Also, you are welcome to continue using Wikipedia:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine/Wikiversity Journal for matters in Wikiversity-Wikipedia relations, but I think you will reach even more readers of you also post at Wikipedia:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science in such cases. Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 09:04, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Messages from Wright State Lake studentsEdit

Astronomy is great I am looking forward to this class.(The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adidier6 (talkcontribs) ), who is a newbie

phy calcEdit

I am in your course User:S55364c. Me too User:W023snl


I would be willing to referee. My main areas of specialty are astronomy and history of science. Except for highly specialized topics I could also look at a variety of other science topics. --mikeu talk 02:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


Missing License InformationEdit

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MaintenanceBot (discusscontribs) 15:27, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

We never signed an attendance sheet today in class. 1/28/16

Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Mikael HäggströmEdit

FYI [4] --mikeu talk 12:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

random thingsEdit

A couple of random things before I forget.

  • I found a reference that is relevant to the wiki journal idea that you might be interested in.
That is a "must read" - I need to become a member to see the pdf. I assume membership is free, right?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:31, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I was logged into my university account and the library has a subscription to the journal, so I didn't notice the paywall. I'll special:email you a copy when I get a chance. --mikeu talk 17:12, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Here is a free version of Wikipedia and academic peer review: wikipedia as a recognised medium for scholarly publication? --mikeu talk 14:42, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I have never been involved with "Good Article" discussions on WP.
Neither have I. I jumped in as part of the WP:YoS to lend some expertise to the astronomy content. Alpha Centauri contains some long sections of cruft which detract from the educational value of the page. The discussion is moving quite slowly and I haven't seen much response to my comments there. I was going to write up my experience of the interaction at the Journal. I'll keep an eye on it, but it looks to be on the back burner at the moment. --mikeu talk 17:12, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
  • I'll start a discussion about page protection on one of the guideline talk pages later this week. It's been good to hear ideas from others in the blog comments, but the topic really needs to be opened for further discussion in a community forum.
One place to discuss this might be at Wikiversity talk:Page protection, where I already suggested that after we have decided on policies, this information be made available through page protection templates that would be placed at the top of protected pages for all to see. One problem with working out policy is disseminating the information for people who have better things to do than search "Wikiversity:" space for policy statements.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:31, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
  • I've been experimenting with including real-time science data in learning resources. Check User:Mu301 on a couple different days during the week to see an example. There is another test page at User:Mu301Bot/nelm but I've haven't yet created user friendly instructions on the purpose of the page.
  • I'm planning on creating a resource for the May w:Transit of Mercury. I'm going to try to "live stream" images from a telescope to resource pages here and maybe also at WP or news. I'll be doing a test of auto-uploading images of the Moon every few minutes one day in a few weeks. Let me know if you are interested in collaborating or using this for astronomy teaching. I can easily modify the goals of the project to make it more useful to others.

About the latter two items, I've written up some of my ideas about User:Mu301/Learning_blog#Real-time_wiki_data dynamic content for science learning and this will be a main project of mine during the Year of Science. --mikeu talk 15:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

About the latter two items: I have 30 students in an astronomy class. Do you have something for them right now? @Mu301: I liked the way you batched these items for quick processing. Answers are shown above.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:31, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
I can probably put something together with the SkyCam. I'll give it some thought. --mikeu talk 17:12, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Don't do it unless you want to. We have projects cooking, but it would be fun to collaborate with real students when you are ready.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:15, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Quite a few of the resources that I've created like Observational astronomy are exercises looking for an audience. It would be good to get feedback from students to give some direction to the learning materials. I've been in contact with a colleague who teaches at the Margaret M. Jacoby Observatory near me. He might be interested in this also. --mikeu talk 17:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Speaking of random things, I have streamlined the editorial process on the only protected page in Second Journal of Science. See Second_Journal_of_Science/Index/A. I will unprotect that page when I get around to it. It seems to me that there should be at least one good faith edit on such a page before I act.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:19, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


I noticed in this week's Tech News that they are adding support for formulas in Wikidata. See Wikiversity:Newsletters/Tech_News#Tech_News:_2016-06. I'm not sure how to do it yet, but it seems like a better (shared) way to do the physics formulas. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:21, 8 February 2016 (UTC)


Sorry for missing the fact that the journal now has an ISSN. And congratulations for bringing the journal another step forward! Mikael Häggström (discusscontribs) 08:06, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

No apology necessary. Our discussions and pages are scattered all over the place. It's hard to keep up with anything.Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 11:00, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Indeed. I learned of this conversation and the Journal from email notifications of stuff on my watchlist nearly 10 years old! --CQ (discusscontribs) 15:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


Hello, I am having trouble with the integrals and I would like to review a little bit before the quiz tomorrow. I stopped by the lab but you weren't there. Just let me know when you're available. Thanks, Spencer Ludington

I will be free after 11:30 am and am free pretty much for the rest of the day. I have a test from 1-2, but can help you a bit while I proctor that test.


What are your thoughts on creating a Research: namespace for research articles? Perhaps it could include both traditional research efforts and student work such as the engineering projects. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:25, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

  Support... It is important that the namespace is not likely to be used by sister wikis for other purposes. For example, I originally experimented with A: namespace, which would suffer from this flaw. But the "Research:" prefix is unambiguous. The fact that the title-font and style can be controlled renders the long prefix much more palatable. See for example the title-font and size at Second_Journal_of_Science/Past_issues/Editorials/Why_this_journal_was_created --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 15:36, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Meta uses it (meta:Research:Index), but the usage appears consistent from my perspective. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:39, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletionsEdit

You have three resources in the Category:Proposed deletions:

  1. Astronomy college course/Astronomy (wikipedia)/temporary copy of w:Astronomy,
  2. Astronomy college course/Chasing Pluto/in-class contributions/James K. Polk (1845-1849) and
  3. Astronomy college course/Chasing Pluto/in-class contributions/Zachary Taylor (1849-1850).

Do you need the waiting period of 60 days or would you prefer these to be deleted now? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 15:08, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for finding them. I deleted them just now.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:15, 5 May 2016 (UTC)


I recently sent you an e-mail with no reply. I was hoping to grab your attention on here as you seem to spend more time on here. Please let me know when you receive this

Baumgardner10 (discusscontribs) 19:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes. I will go to my email right now.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 03:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Orbital mechanicsEdit

I'd like to move Topic:Orbital mechanics to Orbital mechanics, as the topic page seems to provide a better introduction to the subject. But I'm not sure what to do with the current Orbital mechanics. Can it be a subpage of this learning project? What would be a good name for it? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:54, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

It never should have been in namespace, but got there because I literally followed this request. What if I temporary move it to a subpage of Astronomy college course? I have lots of subpages in my three courses like that. Perhaps they should be moved to subpages of resources, or perhaps Wikiversity should be a place where individuals create their own "brand" with quirkily named pages like "Astronomy from XXX college". I am not an expert in such matters, but the latter seems best to me at the moment.
I will move it to a supage of Astronomy college course and will move it whereever you wish when you get back to me.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 09:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
 Y Done--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 10:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
That's fine. I didn't really have a destination in mind so much as it didn't seem to fit where it was and we had a page that seemed appropriate to put there instead. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:53, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Second Journal of Science/About/GuildsEdit

Does Second Journal of Science/About/Guilds still need the Subpage and Rename templates or is it okay where it is? This is the only file remaining currently tagged for rename. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

The templates have been removed. This one was easy. I had no idea they were "cleanup" templates that would attract attention. They were notes I made to myself to contemplate moveing them. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 09:31, 10 May 2016 (UTC) Y Done--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 10:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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