# User talk:Dave Braunschweig/Archive7

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## draft and fringe

why did you put electromagnetic radiation pressure waves in the draft space?

why are you calling it fringe science?

(The preceding unsigned comment was added by HumbleBeauty (talkcontribs) 5 January 2020‎)

Because it is an incomplete personal hypothesis with no supporting references which claims to falsify current accepted science. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:57, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

I said it was a hypothesis to be generous

Higgs boson is falsified by my equation and theory because I prove mass is electromagnetic

"no theory of gravitational interaction reconciles with the currently popular Standard Model of particle physics."

I have made several discoveries in physics which need to be peer reviewed

HumbleBeauty (discusscontribs) 04:15, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikiversity is a community. Contributing here is a privilege, not a right. You were blocked once before for approach. I encourage you to proceed carefully, or you'll need to find somewhere else to publish your hypotheses and seek peer review. Draft space is the appropriate place for this resource, and it is fringe science unless and until you are able to prove otherwise. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:43, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

wikiversity policy says that ONLY parapsychology and cold fusion are fringe science.

HumbleBeauty (discusscontribs) 04:24, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Those are the only topics for which pre-approval of page creation is required. Fringe topics is a wider catogory, -05:05, 7 January 2020 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mu301 (talkcontribs) 00:06, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

ok

HumbleBeauty (discusscontribs) 07:10, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

## Template:Table cell templates/doc

Hello. I’ve made a mistake by deleting this template. I thought it was a stray subpage without a corresponding template but it is transcluded in a number of other templates. Please could you restore it? I would do it myself but curators can’t restore. Cheers. -Green Giant (discusscontribs) 03:02, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

I've restored that page. Are there any other pages that need undelete? --mikeu talk 03:14, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
@Mu301: Many thanks. There are two pages that Marshall Sumter requested for undeletion at User talk:Green Giant#Draft:Demonstration of the No Relativity of Time. Cheers. -Green Giant (discusscontribs) 21:17, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
There is an appropriate place for Marshallsumter to request undeletion, and I will oppose the request if it is posted. The deleted resources are from a blocked user and the content has no meaningful value. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 21:57, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dave Braunschweig

I am Luis Rafael Miranda Rodriguez and I'm trying to add an image that I drew to this "Additional Examples of 1-D Kinematics" page for a robotics course (link below). The image is just a visual representation of the Example 1 problem. The issue is that the page says it is protected and can only be edited by administrators thus I'm reaching out to you to request an "Unprotection of the page". This way I will be able to upload the figure for the example problem.

-Luisrafael1995 (discusscontribs) 15:49, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Luis! That page isn't protected. There must be something else going on, or the page you are trying to upload to isn't the page you want to edit. Try it again, and then copy and paste the URL of the page where you see the error. That may help me figure out what's happening. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:27, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, Dave Braunschweig

I edited my image file and now I was able to upload it to the page. Thank you for your help.

Cordially

--Luisrafael1995 (discusscontribs) 15:24, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Dear Dave,

could you guide me towards a procedure to create custodian templates which can be used for author feedback.

• Article is not structure as a learning resource, see XYZ for additional wikiversity guideline

Must we create a consensus first among the custodian if and how we create templates for author feedback. I guess somes templates in Wikipedia might be used in Wikiversity and other specially focussed on the structure of the learning resource might be generated. e.g.

• It seems that this learning might benefit from adding a comment on the target group,
• requirements for the learning resource,
• the learning resource should not promote commercial products and services, reorganize the learning resource to be independent of buying a specific product or service.

May be some of the comments above might be useful to provided as custodian templates. No worries if this a complicated procedure to negotiatem then just skip my comments. Thanks

--Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 17:57, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

• Wikiversity doesn't have a strict NPOV policy. See Wikiversity:NPOV for more information. If that needs clarification, we can try to edit it or create a separate NPOV page that is more clear. So, an NPOV template wouldn't be necessary. It's more of a discussion aspect, depending on where the NPOV content is found. The page may need to be moved to a subpage, or draft space, or user space, depending on content and intent.
• Structure would also depend on location and intent. It might be a subpage, a Draft:, a User: page, or maybe it should be speedy deleted as no educational objectives. Many of the existing templates might address this.
• That said, it's much easier to move forward if there is consensus on templates and template usage. We do often import templates from Wikipedia and then customize them.
• There are already {{Notice}}, {{Note}}, {{Comment}} and similar templates.
• Duration and requirements seem more like discussion opportunities rather than templates, unless someone wants to use a notice to inform readers of the plan.
• Promotion of commercial products and services needs to be removed on sight. There's no need to discuss. Either delete the offending content or delete the entire page, depending on whether the page has value without the solicitation. There is a {{no solicitation}} template that can be added to the user talk page to quickly inform them of why the content was removed.
If, after reading this, you think we still need one or more templates, please search Wikipedia for a starting point, import, and then edit to match what you think it should display. Then ask for community feedback in the Colloquium. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:05, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Perfect, thank you for your support. That clarifies everything. With your comments I would add e.g. a reference to Wikiversity:NPOV in the discussion page and add a comment why the authors should look at the NPOV and the community might discuss the way forward in the discussion page and transform the learning resource accordingly. I analyzed the page Food Security merged "Food security" and "Food Security". Furthermore I did some formatting, so far so good. I wanted to convert that into a learning resource, where learners get learning tasks, explore some topics and assess PROs and CONs of different approaches. Maybe in that case I was not clear, if I want to guide authors as a custodian or transform the content into a learning resource by myself. In this case the author was inactive so my role would be more like an author than like a custodian. I appreciate it very much, to have you in the Wikiversity community! All the best, --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 16:33, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

## thanks

thank you -- (The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anayguy (talkcontribs) 14:01, 11 February 2020‎‎)

## Creating a link, problem encountered

Since you are an expert in wikimedia, i would like to ask you how to solve an external link problem. i wanted to create a link to the web address:

with the link name: "108 anh hùng Lương Sơn Bạc" and use the wiki code:

 [https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danh_sách_thủ_lĩnh_Lương_Sơn_Bạc| 108 anh hùng Lương Sơn Bạc] 

which yielded the following link that did not work, as it led to a page that said "wrong page title":

i then added a blank space after the web address, and before the vertical bar "|"

 [https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danh_sách_thủ_lĩnh_Lương_Sơn_Bạc | 108 anh hùng Lương Sơn Bạc] 

to obtain the following working link:

but noticed the vertical bar "|" appearing in the rendition of the link.

the same problem occurred with the link

adding a blank space after the web address, and before the vertical bar, yielded a working link:

but with the vertical bar appearing in front of the link name.

how would you solve this problem, i.e., not having the vertical bar appearing in the link name ?

thanks.

Egm4313.s12 (discusscontribs) 16:56, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

All wiki links should use internal link format. Try [[wikipedia:vi:Danh sách thủ lĩnh Lương Sơn Bạc]]. See mw:Help:Links for more information. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
yes, it worked. if i used [[wikipedia:vi:Danh sách thủ lĩnh Lương Sơn Bạc]], then i got the link wikipedia:vi:Danh sách thủ lĩnh Lương Sơn Bạc that had "wikipedia:vi:" in the link name. so i used [[wikipedia:vi:Danh sách thủ lĩnh Lương Sơn Bạc|<i>"108 anh hùng Lương Sơn Bạc"</i>]] to get "108 anh hùng Lương Sơn Bạc". but i got the same problem with the vertical bar appearing in the link name when using a non-wikipedia web address such as: | PDF in Google Drive. do you know a solution ? thanks. Egm4313.s12 (discusscontribs) 18:03, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
by looking into mw:Help:Links, i solved the problem: just remove the vertical bar in the wiki code, i.e., use [https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2PFtwo9jwNDQzFUMWRWeFc1dGc/ PDF in Google Drive] to get PDF in Google Drive. thanks. Egm4313.s12 (discusscontribs) 18:08, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

## Thanks for review

Thanks for review , Now I will add section for Arabic Langugae Omda4wady (discusscontribs) 10:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Please use the new World Languages and subpages for this effort. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:38, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

## Using Wikiversity for Collaboration

1. Category:NPT RevCon 2020, which I hope to use to support possible collaboration in documenting this month-long conference, as discussed there.
2. The Phabricator tasks I created to (a) translate fr:Modèle:Tableau qualificateurs into English and (b) translate Template:Cite Q into Spanish (and German?). I plan to attend the Wikimedia Hackathon 2020 in the hopes of getting help in completing these tasks.
2(a) I believe that translating w:fr:Modèle:Tableau qualificateurs into English can make it easier to organize and even crowdsource collaborative research using Wikidata, Wikiversity, and Wikipedia. As noted in my "Wikimedia Saving Civilization" presentation at Wikimania:2019:Wikimania, Wikipedia has been recognized as "a rare sight indeed in today’s polarized political atmosphere, where most online forums are echo chambers for one side or the other”.
2(b) Translating w:Template:Cite Q into Spanish should make it easier for people to translate Wikipedia articles from English into Spanish. (Three years ago, I translated the Wikipedia article on w:Julia Cagé from French into English. I've also wanted to translate it further into Spanish. However, the difficulties in translating citation templates have so far discouraged me from doing that.)

Thanks, DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 20:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

1. Categories are just tagged collections of other resources. If you want something that can be used for planning and documentation, that sounds like it should be either a learning project or a portal.
2. There used to be regular Wednesday technical advice meetings. Those have been discontinued, but you can see the regular participants listed at mw:Technical Advice IRC Meeting. You might try reaching out to one or more of them to see what suggestions they have. The Wikiversity user most familiar with the citation templates, as far as I know, is User:Evolution and evolvability. User:DannyS712 may also be able to assist with specific questions.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:50, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

## User:Donna Sanor

Added a spamlink into pages, what can we do in this situation. Thanks--Camouflaged Mirage (discusscontribs) 14:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

We can roll back the edit, block the user, and add the link to MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I did rollback the edits, thanks for blocking. I am just wondering when will it be appropriate to ask for a block or when shall we just warn them. Any advices? As I am quite new here, I just hope to know the practices better. Thanks.--Camouflaged Mirage (discusscontribs) 18:06, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
To me, it depends on the history of the user account and the extent of the spam. We're trying to balance Don't bite the newcomers with spam-only accounts. In this case, it's clearly an inexperienced user, but also linking to a clearly promotional website. If I was doing this one myself, I would have gone with rollback and warn this time, and block on repeat. But I also wanted to support your efforts, as we are more in need of users willing to help fight vandalism and spam than we are another user who wants to advertise hemp oils. Any time you see someone repeat offense after a rollback or warning, definitely post at Wikiversity:Request custodian action. We'll either block the account, blacklist the URL, protect the page, or some combination of all the above. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:47, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your in depth reply, will rollback and warn and report accordingly. Appreciate the advice :).--Camouflaged Mirage (discusscontribs) 06:26, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

## Block

I think your block of User:Leonardo T. Cardillo was partisan and coercive.

Block reason: Blatant disregard of a Wikiversity founding principle

To what extent did Leonardo T. Cardillo disregard a Wikiversity founding principle? He asked for an informal certificate of completion. For example, this userbox:

{{Userbox|id=日本語|info=This user completed [[Beginner Japanese]] learning course!}}


To what extent does the above informal certificate of completion disregard a Wikiversity founding principle? Is this the founding principle you refer to?

[Wikiversity is not] a degree or title granting institution: Wikiversity will not confer degrees or any other academic qualifications, nor will it entitle people to call themselves "professors", if they are not professors.[1]

Now, obviously you're a longstanding contributor with Wikiversity's best interest at heart, but it makes me ill to see such a casual miscarriage of privilege. GUYWAN (t · c) 23:50, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

@Guywan: Thank you for sharing your concerns. As noted in the discussion, and as quoted by you, Wikiversity cannot confer any academic qualifications. From my perspective, this includes certificates of completion. If you would like to open a community discussion to clarify the conferring of academic qualifications, you are welcome to do so. If, instead, you would like to state clearly and unequivocally that you intend to violate this or any other standing Wikiversity principle, policy, procedure, or practice, your account will be blocked.
You are absolutely correct in recognizing that this is coercive. It's meant to be. There's a right way and a wrong way approach community issues. Blatant disregard is the wrong way. Your contributions to Wikiversity so far seem quite productive. I hope you'll choose a different path than Leonardo. Thanks for your consideration. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:11, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Wikiversity cannot confer any academic qualifications. From my perspective, this includes certificates of completion.
I think there is a distinction to be made between "Wikiversity conferring an academic qualification" and "A Wikiversity participant conferring to themselves or another an informal certificate of completion." Surely I must not need start a community discussion to recongnize such a distinction? Wikiversity participants are not legal extensions of Wikiversity.
Blatant disregard is the wrong way.
We are aligned in this. No standing Wikiversity principle, policy, procedure, or practice, should be disregarded or violated. My concern is, was there a blatant disregard? Did Leonardo T. Cardillo actually do anything wrong? I think not. I think administering an indefinite block because someone disagreed with [your] perspective was a grave injustice. You have yet to convince me that you executed your office in a correct and neutral manner. GUYWAN (t · c) 15:37, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
@Guywan: I'm sorry, but I need to focus this discussion. You came here complaining about a block. Perhaps you missed User talk:Leonardo T. Cardillo#Blocked User, but Leonardo is not blocked. I understand that you don't agree with the approach, but it is what it is. You've given me no incentive to try to convince you of anything otherwise. We're all volunteers here, doing the best we can. Thank you for letting me know that you think this could have been handled better. Unfortunately, you weren't here to help. Perhaps you'll become more involved and assist others going forward. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
I was aware that Leonardo T. Cardillo was later unblocked; its not relevant. I did not come here to tell you what I think (though I did do a bit of that), I came here to present facts. I think I'm asking too much in hoping you will objectively examine your own actions. An impartial adjudicator is needed, and so I will compile a report at wv:Custodian feedback and accept whatever is decided there. It brings me no pleasure to 'escalate' this. I have a lot of respect for you. You are an invaluable asset to the Wikiversity project. But unfortunately this is one of those things I cannot compromise on. GUYWAN (t · c) 22:25, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi User:Guywan & User:Dave Braunschweig. If at any point something like

{{Userbox|id=日本語|info=This user completed [[Beginner Japanese]] learning course!}}


is approved, please let me know. Also, if there is a correct and Wikiversity-Accepted way to re-open this and make something like a poll or whatever for acceptance or denial, please also let me know. Best Regards, --Leonardo T. Cardillo (discusscontribs) 03:11, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

## May you undelete my sandbox (User:Atcovi/sandbox)?

I had some work on it that I didn't realize was still relevant. Thanks. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 17:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Atcovi:   Done -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I believe the following page is ready for the main space; https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Draft:Proof_of_monism HumbleBeauty (discusscontribs) 06:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Could you please explain why you think this is ready for mainspace? --mikeu talk 06:10, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
it is quality work...HumbleBeauty (discusscontribs) 23:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
That statement is not an explanation that answers the question. Wikiversity mainspace is for learning resources that are generally seen as an understandable lesson or project that the average person could benefit from. This page is too idiosyncratic and obscure to be useful to a broad audience of learners. It would be best if you continued working in draft or user space to develop this further to appeal to a wider audience. It is definitely not ready for mainspace. --mikeu talk 11:53, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

## A barnstar for you

 The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar {{{Thank you for supporting my proposal on WikiQuiz}}}

RIT RAJARSHI (discusscontribs) 20:08, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

## Template Import for Translation - Cross-language Import

Dear Dave, is it possible to have Special:Import between languages e.g. for templates. For translations of Wikiversity learning resources it is helpful have similar templates in all languages. Imported the Event Template from Wikipedia for COVID-19. Templates are handled in different languages differently, that is basic requirement due to the fact that templates contain language specific elements, that cannot be used in shared way. But on the other hand the syntactic definition will be quite similar. I see to options that might help translations efforts in Wikiversity:

• allow template import e.g. from en-Wikiversity to de-Wikiversity (German)
• use a kind of meta templates that are language independent in all wikiversities that can be parameterized with language specific content elements like header title, logos, ...

What would be your favorite solution for that.(The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bert Niehaus (talkcontribs) 3 April 2020)--Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 16:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I presume it is possible. But it isn't something we configure directly. We would need a Phabricator request to add other import sources. Unless this is going to be high volume, it may be just as easy to copy and paste the template content and include a link to the source.
My favorite solution would be for Wikimedia to create a template-sharing interface similar to how Commons works for files. They shouldn't need to be copied from wiki to wiki. We should be able to access them centrally and reuse them, with local code added where necessary. There are discussions and Phabricator items related to this, but there have been for years. I don't know the current progress. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:29, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for that, just wanted to use the best available solution that makes maintenance and updating of such templates easier. So I would avoid copying to templates unless they are required urgently. I want to avoid causing workload for migrating the copied templates towards the desired template-sharing interface. Best regards and take care, Bert --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 16:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

## Make sure page is good BEFORE running automated scripts?

The page wasn't good before the script ran, which makes it harder to repair later.. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 22:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

## Technical writing/Style

Perhaps you can take another look at this and other pages I've commented on the layout being screwed up on? Thanks. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 07:02, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm the wrong one to ask. I would remove divs entirely from everything except templates. Even there, many/most of our templates use tables when they should be using current (flexbox, grid) CSS designs and mw:Help:TemplateStyles. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I made many page moves but didn't see anything broken here. Did I mess up somehow? —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: When I looked at it last night, it was appearing as a red link. I can't reproduce it now, though. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:15, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Must have been a caching thing. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

## My Edit

Was it constructive? I really wanna help. 47.16.99.72 (discuss) 00:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

It's not my area of expertise and would require me to research it. Instead, I offered a suggestion at Talk:Calculus pre-test. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:38, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

## thank you! sorry for cluttering!

I've kinda confused myself on where to put pictures and tag them appropriately. I did count on the bots deleting my test stuff, but I see now that was kinda rude! oops!

Where should I put properly attributed graphics in the future? and how do I reference them between wiki-worlds?

Working on a brick and mortar for this project... very excited to be become useful!

VeronicaJeanAnderson (discusscontribs) 05:13, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

At this point, your uploading options here are on hold until June 15. You are still welcome to upload to Wikimedia Commons. Commons is a better choice for any content you personally create anyway, as it is accessible from all Wikimedia wikis rather than only Wikiversity. Wikiversity file uploads should be reserved for Fair Use content that isn't accepted at Commons. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

## Article submission for WikiJHumanities

Hi Dave,

I am having trouble uploading my article for peer review. I keep getting an error message claiming this material is harmful, even though I was the one who created the file. Please advise.

Kind regards, Katharine Ristich, ELS (username karistich) Karistich (discusscontribs) 14:20, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome Katharine! We've been under attack recently, and have had to enforce very strong abuse filters for new users. Please edit a paragraph at a time until you build up your edit count. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:02, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

It worked! Thank you for your help, Dave! Karistich (discusscontribs) 18:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Sir, Nice to have you as creater of the page I put contents submitted awaiting review.It is my firstever submission in thewikijournal and depending on its outcome it may prrhaps be last.The criteria I choose to submit here is that the description presented has more relevant substantiates available in wikipedia except very few.Though it is new, I hope once it touches significant situations in practice its implication will sound appropriately.Thanks for passionate support while processing.PARTHASARATHI.N

Yes it's very good. Sashannaforbes7 (discusscontribs) 03:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

For consistently responding to my posts on the rainwater harvesting wiki project. I appreciate you for warmly welcoming me into the world of Wikiversity.

Sorry I don't understand how to correctly get this template to work :/ Thank you--Ivangiesen (discusscontribs) 18:09, 26 June 2020 (UTC)}}

Thanks for the cookie! We didn't have that template. I've imported it. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:15, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

## Wikiversity Templates and Translation Efforts

Hi Dave, Wikiversity authors use templates for a constitent presentation of learning resources. One them is e.g. the Graph-Template to visualize data in a graph without creating and uploading a new image of graph to WikiCommons when data must be updated due to new scientific results.

The challenge is that such core templates are used for Mathematics, Computer Science, Natural Sciences, Social Sciences ... to visualized data in a graph are allow a language independent usage. But this graph templates are not avaiable on all language domains of Wikiversity. For this example I made a screenshot and imported the screenshot to WikiCommons and embedded the images into german wikiversity (maintenance of data with a structured graph template is gone). Is there a procedure to ask for multi language support of those templates or is there a specific benefit for having and maintaining those type of language independent templates in every language domain of Wikiversity seperately? This creates a great workload for translation efforts. The same is applicable for citation templates in the ref-tags. Graph templates use e.g. graphing libraries like MorrisJS on the backend to render the diagrams. Looking on the example above it makes a lot of sense to do that once for all languages and then add optionally a local language alias for that template to make that readible in the specific language. But maybe I am not aware of other constraints that block the implementation in such a way. Looking at it from the Computer Science angle it makes a lot of sense to provide a language independent template usage for some templates like the Graph Template. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 07:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

The problem is bigger than just Wikiversity. There is currently no support for centralized templates anywhere within Wikimedia. This has been proposed for many years, but so far, I am not aware of any progress. See, for example phabricator:T6547. Having a single source, and having that single source support multiple languages would certainly be preferred. Please feel free to reach out to people on Phabricator and see if you can help make this possible. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
got transwiki import permissions for German Wiki, so I imported Graph:Chart and Graph:Map templates. It is not an ideal solution to maintain the same template in multiple Wikis, but it is better than using a template in the english Wikiversity and screenshots in the German Wikiversity. If centralized templates become reality, then we can map the language specific templates to the centralized repository with minimal efforts. Relacing images by a graph template would be nightmare with a lot of manual work. So at least we are one step forward in having the Graph:Chart template at least available in the German Wikiversity with a consitent call of parameters. Thank you Dave for clarification. Take care, Bert --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 14:56, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear Dave, I believe you will find that proof of monism is ready for the mainspace HumbleBeauty (discusscontribs) 07:05, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

It's a personal essay. You are welcome to move it to User:HumbleBeauty/Proof of Monism if you wish. It is not a main space resource by itself and there is no obvious learning project to move it under. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
you blocked me from submitting for peer review, could you kindly remove the block HumbleBeauty (discusscontribs) 13:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
From my perspective, your continued efforts to push personal essays into main space suggests that the block is still necessary and appropriate. However, I will ask other custodians to review the block and confirm. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

## Clojure

Thanks. I couldn't figure out how to add new page at first. I'll keep updating examples as I learn more Clojure--Sofiia Hitlan (discusscontribs) 19:15, 3 August 2020 (UTC).

## Election data > Wikidata?

Is there an international repository for election results from different jurisdictions?

• If yes, where is it and how can I access it?
• The web sites of the Secretaries of State in Kansas and Missouri have some data. However, that seems to be in HTML or XML or PDF for some years and maybe even in images without optical character recognition processing for older data.
• Ballotpedia has more. However, they quoted me a "one-time fee of \$439" for one state and one election cycle, and that was their non-profit rate. If I wanted only one state and one election cycle, that would be reasonable. However, I'd like to have it for multiple years for all 50 states in the US plus DC, Puerto Rico, etc. And I'd like to support free access to the sum of all human knowledge.

My immediate goal is to compute w:Wasted vote and the partisan w:Wasted vote#Efficiency gap at least for Missouri, then Kansas and for other states in the w:United States, time permitting. From my experience the hardest part of any analysis of this nature is getting the data.

I can get the data I want for Missouri and Kansas from the web sites of their Secretaries of State.

I think it would then be smart to post all this to Wikidata, following their Wikidata:Wikidata:Data Import Guide.

Once data like that is on Wikidata, I would envision preparing vignettes with the Spencer Graves (4 February 2020), Ecfun: Functions for Ecdat, Wikidata Q56452538 and posting discussions of such in Wikiversity. This could be similar to my Time to nuclear Armageddon and Forecasting nuclear proliferation, which contain general discussions of those applications with links to vignettes in Spencer Graves (4 February 2020), Ecfun: Functions for Ecdat, Wikidata Q56452538 that contain excruciating details of all the computations, so the methodology is 100% reproducible by anyone with a computer with an internet connection.

However, before I start such a project, I felt it wise to ask others for their thoughts on how to do this. I posted something on Wikidata:Wikidata:Project chat#Election data, but I feel a need to involve you in this discussion, given your expertise in Computer Information Systems and support for the Wikimedia Foundation.

I hope you will have the time to comment. And I think your comments might have a bigger impact if posted on Wikidata:Wikidata:Project chat#Election data, but you may have reasons for posting comments elsewhere.

Thanks for your many contributions to Wikiversity and my efforts in particular.

By the way, I have a short term deadline of a broadcast August 13, 7-8 PM, Central time US, on KKFI on Election integrity: Voter fraud, voter suppression, gerrymandering.

However, this is an important issue, with importance that will doubtless extend decades into the future -- and could be a fruitful object of discussion by folks involved in political science on Wikipedia and Wikiversity. Thanks, DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 03:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

It would seem that there is data available. I tried an Internet search for election results database and found multiple sources, some academic and some non-profit. You would need to look through the data to see if it has what you want.
If you need help converting HTML, XML, or PDF, I can do that. The next couple of weeks are good. Once we get to mid August, my classes will start up again and I'll have much less time available.
To convert images to text, you may be able to upload them to Google Docs and let Google convert them for you.
I haven't queried Wikidata myself yet, but there is an interesting research project on Wikiversity with multiple examples at Research in programming Wikidata.
This sounds like an interesting project, but with your deadline, I recommend focusing on what you need in order to meet your broadcast. The rest can come later.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. Your mention of an internet search told me I should have done a better web search before I bothered you.
My tentative conclusion from that suggests that the best source of (free) data may be "Election Statistics, 1920 to Present" on house.gov. That provides PDFs with the vote counts for each US Congressional district every other year between 1920 and 2018. Before I start trying to parse that, I will write to info.clerkweb@mail.house.gov to ask if those results are available in a machine readable format. If not, I plan to ask User:AKA MBG, who taught the class you mentioned on Research in programming Wikidata, for advice on how best to proceed in posting these data to Wikidata.
For state-level data, I found https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/statevote-election-results-and-analysis.aspx. I read that they present "state election results from 2013 to the present."
Sadly, however, my time to work on this is evaporating. I got a 46-minute interview with Mac Heller, Founder of the American Issues Initiative, who produced the movie "Rigged: The voter suppression playbook", and I posted that interview with a transcript to Wikiversity as "Five categories of voter suppression". I hope that will be considered a valuable contribution to Wikiversity. I plan include roughly 14 of those 46 minutes as part of the broadcast this coming Wednesday that I mentioned above; the rest of that hour will be devoted to a panel discussion. Two civil rights attorneys have agreed to participate. I've also invited the top five executives in the Missouri government to appear -- 4 Republicans and 1 Democrat. I doubt if any will accept, but I plan to say they were invited.
However, gerrymandering is a major, long-term issue. If I can get sensible data on it in a place people can more easily access and use -- with good graphics with a license like CC BY-SA -- it could help motive the public to demand more accountability and a reduction in this category of political corruption. Thanks for your support. I'll keep you posted. DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 04:48, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Do you know someone in political science with Wikiversity, who might like to help with a project like this?
I'm trying to recruit the help of serious researchers who have published in this area, so far without success.
Since my note above, I made my August 13 deadline and posted related videos with annotated transcripts to "Voter suppression and the American Legislative Exchange Council" and "Election integrity, the Missouri Voter Protection Coalition, and the Kansas ACLU". Yesterday I wrote to Prof. Simon Jackman, the CEO of the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sidney, Australia. Some of his publications in this area cite data available from the web site of Harvard Prof. w:Gary King (political scientist), which has election results for the US House from 1898 to 1992. Sadly, those data are in small rectangular files, and I have yet to understand the format and codes. More recent data are available in PDF files from history.house.gov, cited above. If we're lucky, we'll get the collaboration of someone like Jackman in helping us parse the data. I can publish free open-source software to do the analysis and produce standard plots in something like the Spencer Graves (4 February 2020), Ecfun: Functions for Ecdat, Wikidata Q56452538 package for the R (programming language), if it's not already available elsewhere. We can publish tutorial(s) on how to do it on Wikiversity and describe its availability in article(s) submitted to appropriate refereed academic journal(s).
The National Conference of State Legislatures replied to my request for collaboration with an email saying they weren't interested in such a collaboration at this time. That's too bad, because they seem to have the best data available on election results for state legislatures. After we get something more substantive on this in Wikimedia Foundation projects, we can try again to secure their support.
Before I can spend much more time on this, I need to edit my hour-long August 13 broadcast to half an hour for broadcast in late September on "Sprouts: Radio From the Grassroots" distributed via the [[w:List of Pacifica Radio stations and affiliates|Pacifica radio network.
Thanks for your interest and support. DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 14:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
I don't know anyone else at Wikiversity who might be interested in this. I personally have some interest, but my semester is starting up, and I'm not likely to have spare time for several months. The one place I am familiar with where there is interest in this topic is the website Electoral Vote. They regularly mention things like this, and one of the editors is a computer science professor. I don't know whether they have interest or connections in helping develop the data, however. You might also consider contacting any of the universities that publish polling data, with the idea that their political science department is interested in political research, and may be interested in supporting this type of analysis. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

## Signature box and timestamp issue

Hi Dave! The Visual Editor is not letting me click "insert signature" (it is greyed out). Also, when I sign using ~~~~, there's no timestamp. Did I miss something when setting up my account? I have a feeling these issues are related...Thanks for your help! --Joey Cross (discusscontribs) 17:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Signatures are typically only inserted on Discuss (Talk) pages. The VisualEditor must be configured to discourage signing resource pages. The Insert Your signature button is disabled on resource pages for me as well.
I suspect the problem you are having with timestamps would be using three tildes rather than four. Three is username, four should add the timestamp, and five is timestamp only. Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Ok, that makes sense! I must have been trying to add a signature in a resource page. Good to know that you cannot use the Visual Editor in any Discuss pages (I was actually wondering why my Talk pages wereonly showing the "Edit source" link). Thanks again for your help. --Joey Cross (discusscontribs) 18:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

## Student Success course

Dave, would it be ok for me to make some small edits to the Student success course? I confess I already made an edit (removed the reference to WebCT - which has been retired for some time -- & replaced with reference to Bb & Brightspace) before reading the request to contact designers. The course is dated in other ways too so I just wanted to update terminology etc. Redwidgeon (discusscontribs) 17:54, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Be bold! But also note that the change you already made wasn't to Student Success. I hope there's not too much in Student Success that's dated. I just built it back in June. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:22, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Oops! sorry for any confusion. OK... I will 'be bold' but I will (continue to) leave Student Success alone. It's an EXCELLENT topic for a course & I'll be interested to see how it goes during its pilot run.

## Table/Block centring, and other formatting observations

I repaired this.. Korean/Words/Illusion by fully converting it over to inline CSS.

I am thinking that some of the formatting involved may be present in other pages but won't appear as such because it's obviously not correct, just less not fully converted yet..

In some places using {{center top}} and {{center bottom}} might be replaced by this to get more appropriate (or intended) formatting. However I'm not sure it would be easy to identify those instances, withouth revieing every page using them or which uses

<div style="text-align:center">
{|
|-
|Narrow table to be centered within parent
|Narrow table to be centered within parent
</div>

or..

<div align=center>
Narrow Content block to be centere placed.
</div>


ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 11:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

The notes on Obsolete tags, also make no mention of obsoleted/deprecated attributes.

There are of course numerous updates to formatting that could be done, but it would need a dedicated project to write search and replace rules for this, separate from the LintErrors which are typically for finding 'structural' problems. I've not done much wholescale 'updating' when fixing lint-errors (apart from those in the Obselete tags reporting), so that there is some consistency for contributors that want to attempt project wide fixes using bots at a a later.

I've also noted a few attempts at doing '' '' ''' ''' around block content (DIV or TABLE) when a better approach is to style font-style:italic or font-weight:bold; on the appropriate block level elements. (An approach I used for one poem).

I am wondering if there's anyone that should be approached about a more vigorous update of content to HTML5 /CSS Level 2 standards... ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 11:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Also I'd like to request the import of s:Template:center block from English Wikisource. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 14:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your dedication to this effort! My personal perspective is, if extensive formatting is difficult for the average user, that formatting should be removed rather than repaired. When we can use a wiki template, users can usually figure it out. When it requires HTML or CSS, the original user may be able to create it, but others won't be able to edit it. It is better to encourage participation by all than for us to support fancy formatting for a few.
I've imported Template:Center block. I wonder if it would help if we created a Template:Bold block and a Template:Italic block that could be used to easily create block-level formatting. We could have a generic Template:End block that would close the div.
There is no one to approach regarding updating to HTML5 and CSS3. We're it. Our options are to ignore, update, or remove. I'm in favor of update and/or remove wherever possible. We can create a specific maintenance category for this if it would help, and add it to various ToDO lists. I'm also happy to automate whatever can be performed by bot. Most of the time that works. Sometimes it fails miserably.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:07, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
In terms of having a 'block level formating' template... Inspiration can be drawn from s:Template:style s:Template:Table style , s:Template:p, s:Template:span which use short codes. Would ideally be better written as a LUA module though, so that the codes and expansions can be split from the main template logic, Doing multiple parser calls for each invocation isn't as efficient as it could be.
I will also note that English Wikisource also has split versions of some templates... Here on Wikiversity the split versions for the template you imported would be Template:Center block top and Template:Center block bottom respectvely... Naturally the 'bottom' tag could be a redirect to a sutiable end block tag .

Sorry to write 'requirements' specifcations or design guidelines on the fly.. :(

ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 18:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

## Template:Welcomeip

Review of changes requested. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 13:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

I cleaned up some spacing and spelling, improved the error message, and created an error category. I wanted to use some templates to simplify the logic and improve the readability, but everything I tried broke it. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 23:18, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

## Box check?

No lint , but the box closures on this don't seem right.. I'd like a second view. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 09:56, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

It seems like it should be complaining about a missing div. But from appearance, I'd format it like [2]. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:11, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

## The maintenance script when trying to solve missing DIV's maybe misnesting...

The closing DIV has to be inside the table of the RobelBox (which is also why the closing template for the Box has to be on it's own line, due to how Mediawiki table syntax works. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 17:06, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Further to the above in the User talk page edited by the bot script..


...
{{Robelbox/close}}</div>


Should be


...
</div>
{{Robelbox/close}}


The {{Robelbox/close}} has to be on it's own line, and a listing of situations where that isn't the case would also be appreciated if it's an easy pattern to grep for. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 17:11, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

I think I need to let it run out this way, and then come back and address the misnested tags. While, in theory, I could search for it and address it in a single pass, there's enough variety in the missing div problem that it seems easier to address one step at a time. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:15, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Duly noted... The incorrect pattern as i said should be an easy search and replace in AWB or a script :)
Doing it in various passes seems like a good idea. :) ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 17:17, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Now processing the corrections. Let me know if anything seems incorrect. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:33, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

## Pausing again

Sorry to seem to be editing at a fast rate, but when there are some obvious fixes that can be done straightforwardly... :)

Pausing for a day or so to allow review of the approaches taken. Thanks. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 14:45, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

If you see anything that can be easily automated, let me know. I haven't seen a good pattern on the bold and italic that I could automate. Sometimes it's add, sometimes it's repair, sometimes it's remove, but all seem to require human intervention. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:19, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
"Repairing" signatures on talk pages can probably be automated. Would suggest something like AWB over a completely automated script though. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 07:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

## User:Bron766/ECG/QRS complex

Unrepaireable, see comment in history. Trying to do a collapse box on a Caption in the way here won't work. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 19:13, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I fixed the lint error. It's user-space content for a user who left Wikiversity. Whether the content appearance is functional or effective doesn't matter. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 04:33, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Okay. I must have higher standards. I like the content to be "usable" after a repair, and sometimes this has meant (like with tables) I've tried to resolve things that aren't as such lint errors. With the linked page, the collapsed caption doesn't render. It's suppposed to present a 'collapsed' answer, but owing to how the Collapse template works in terms of table syntax, I'm not sure the gallery tag would be able to parse the multi-line approach needed for collapse top paired with collapse bottom for the intent here to work. If there is a single line Collapse box that might be appropriate if the colors can be matched. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 07:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
For main space, I agree. However, Wikiversity has almost no quality standards regarding user space. It's not indexed, and we generally don't allow links to user space from main space. It's considered lower quality / lower reliability than even Draft: space. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

## WikidataR?

Are you familiar with WikidataR and WikidataQueryServiceR? These provide tools to extract data from Wikidata from within R (programming language).

I ask, because I just saw your question from a couple of weeks ago on Wikidata:Wikiversity COVID-19 Data (which I think has since been moved to archive).

Similarly, are you aware of Wikidata:Dataset Imports?

I've not used any of these facilities. I am fairly familiar with R (programming language). I'm not one of the R Core developers, but I have contributed packages to the Comprehensive R Archive Network (CRAN), e.g., Spencer Graves (4 February 2020), Ecfun: Functions for Ecdat, Wikidata Q56452538. I have not yet tried WikidataR nor WikidataQueryServiceR. I would happily try to answer R questions for you. DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 05:59, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I haven't used either one. I do a lot of Python, but no R. I haven't had a need for extensive Wikidata yet, and apparently can't get much support from the Wikidata people. My semester has started now, and my spare time to learn new technologies is probably limited at least through mid October. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

## Blocking a user

Hey Dave, could you take a look at this user? Dunno where to ask for their block here, so I thought I'd contact the most recent sysop. Thanks, Isabelle Belato (discusscontribs) 14:18, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

## Semi-Automated repairs..

These seem to be a fairly stable fix to semi-automate..

Any chance of looking into this , if I don't complete them all manually? ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 16:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I already have code to fix those. There are just so many of them that they don't all appear on the report. They keep popping up. I'll try to get them this evening or tomorrow. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:00, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
A side note $\displaystyle$ with or without an intervening line-feed before the closing tag generates a math rnedering error. The replacement $\displaystyle\!$ doesn't by inserting a dummy negative space. (I've used this fix myself.) However these cases if detectable can probably be stripped out entirely.

ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 19:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

## The math cleanup script...

I had to go back to the original Tex upload to find the replacements to make , and I'm not entirely sure I got them correct. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 09:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

## Email

You've got mail! --DannyS712 (discusscontribs) 23:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

## Translations

Hello Dave, You deleted our Icelandig page, why and what is wrong? We collaborate international also with Iceland. How can we reestablish the Iceland page? Is there a special https://is.wikiversity.org/ or how do we do Thanks for your great healp --Saltrabook (discusscontribs) 23:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

We have been through this before. This is the English Wikiversity. All page titles and main pages are in English. If you want to use translations, you have to set up subpages for the different languages and use the {{translations}} template. The page title and main page will remain in English, with the language code as the subpage name. See Hilbert Book Model Project for an example of how to do this. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:02, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

1 page now.. but I feel I've reached the limits of my capability. Perhaps ask on the Colloquium for a final push to get the remaining LintErrors dealt with?ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 17:01, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

## Wow!

Yes there are some residual instances to clear up which are marginal, but within reason Wikiversity will be lint-free soon.

BTW I hope this was an appropriate addition:- https://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Gene_transcriptions/Boxes/HYs&curid=146091&diff=2204790&oldid=2197415 ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 19:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks for your help on this! I wouldn't have worked on it without you making so much progress first. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

## Want to attempt lint error repairs on another wiki?

Thanks, as I was reaching the limits of my capability there as well. q:Special:LintErrors? ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 09:48, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

I'll keep it in mind, but I don't have bot permissions there and I have a new course I need to develop first. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:40, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

## Planet Physics content...

This would be one of the next BIG areas of cleanup I think.. However TeX isn't my area at all. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 14:24, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

When I agreed to import PlanetPhysics for hosting here, it was only with the agreement of other users with science background who said they would go through and clean it up. They neglected to do so. The only cleanup I would be interested in for that project is anything that can be performed by bot. If you see an edit pattern that could be automated, please let me know. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:40, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't immediately see any obvious automated patterns.. But something I had been doing was to scan the earliest import for \newcmd and match those up with unrecognised functions in pages with Math Render/Math Errors. This is something the Math cleanup bot could potentially do, but I am not sure how easy it would be for it look at old revisions, and match them up with strings in the pages as they currently exist. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 14:44, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
\begin{quote} ... \ end{quote} can potentially be replaced with <blockquote>...</blockquote> Not sure about 'definitions'. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 14:45, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
\begin{tabular}} ... \end{tabular} and the syntax inbetween can be replaced with Mediawiki Table syntax. For tex Table syntax see {https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Tables}. The substitutions aren't as straightforward though, so I can wait for someone to write conversion script.ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 11:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
In general though the following seems to be a starting point..
  \begin{tabular}  {|   \end{tabular}  |}   \\   | 
I am not sure how the format string used by \begin{tabular} could be converted to a table style though as TeX applys the style at the start of the table as opposed to applying it inline to each element. ( Defining a TemplateStyle for each converted table would be inefficient.). In some of the Planet Physics content \hline is also used to apply what from the context appears to be a 'row' border formatting... \\ \hline could be converted into a sequence like:
<!-- New Table row -->
|-style="border-top:1px solid black;"


But I'm not sure if this is reliable enough in occurrence for the conversion to be fool-proof. I hope you don't mind me putting the limited anlaysis here. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 11:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

## Wikiversity:FAQ/Editing

Updated the underlying page that get's transcluded, but the stripped PRE warning won't go away even after purging the page. Something isn't right. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 08:47, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

You need to purge the transcluding page. There is an "Add purge tab" gadget you can add to make this easier. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:16, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
There is an odd count of <pre> tags on the page. I tried to correct it, but it messes up the formatting. There must be a bug in the linter. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:32, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes . The problem seems to be that the linter isn't taking into account a syntaxhighlight tag which has a mismatched pre inside :)... So I changed how that was generated. ShakespeareFan00 (discusscontribs) 16:31, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

## Weird content

See my comment there.

Is it Wikiversitedic?

It seems to be a leftover from : https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium/archives/April_2008#The_KOIIA_project

I rarely, if every, visit Wikiversity, so I am just curious.

Bows,

Zezen (discusscontribs) 07:47, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

## congratulations!

Congratulations on having received the 2020 Faculty Innovation Award from the American Association of Community Colleges! DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 01:03, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, congratulations DannyS712 (discusscontribs) 01:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Wikiversity is lucky to have someone like you involed in our project. --mikeu talk 01:14, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

## Broken Portals

Dave, The portals linked from the top of the Wikiversity main page are broken. For example, the Portal:Mathematics has two script errors that are announced in prominent red text. I have looked at the code (briefly) and don't see where to fix this. These errors have remained for some time, and are in several of the portals. If you get a chance to look at this and either send me in the right direction or fix the errors I will appreciate it. Thanks! --Lbeaumont (discusscontribs) 18:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

The import of Module:Portal on 19 January 2020 broke the template. The revisions don't include the lead function. See [3].

## Elementary Algebra

Is there a way to implement the elementary algebra course? I feel like we would be able to use it as it can help students with algebra courses. We can also use it as a "pre-requisite" to the College Algebra course. If it is possible to create an elementary algebra course, I would be glad to help, although I might need to fit it into my schedule. MattPerfects26 (discusscontribs) 11:07, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Sure! We can do whatever we have time for. See College Mathematics for one approach. That may already have most of what you are looking for. Otherwise, I'd recommend building a similar course using OpenStax: Prealgebra. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

## I created the page God: Rational Proofs of Existence

I've read some content on various proofs for the existence of God and felt I could help. But I didn't entirely source the article and wanted to move it to draftspace. I did move it to "draft: God: rational proofs of existence" but I don't want a redirect there from the main article. Can you help me out in removing the re-direct as I am not sure how to do it.--HalMartin (discusscontribs) 14:28, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Done. The easy approach for something like this is to add {{Delete|Author request}} at the top of the page.
When you are ready to move it back to main space, it would be best to find an appropriate learning project to add it to as a subpage. While I respect the article's position, see Wikipedia: Existence of God for why it wouldn't be a stand-alone page. I'd recommend putting it under God, but if there's a better place for it from your perspective, please let me know. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:02, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

## Small wikis

Hello, i am Katerina Sarri, from the greek el.wiktionary. I became your student by reading your Lua lessons, the only excellent introduction I could find for beginners like me. I am indebted. As an example of an ordinary sysop of a small.language.wikiproject, I am here to ask for help, through your experience, your power, your influence.
People like me find themselves in wiktionry/etc by chance, knowing nothing about programming whatseover, but have to complete some tasks: old semifinished modules by authors who have left for some years now, urgent needs, etc.
Small wikis like us, have no official 'global' support for Lua, modules and templates. They are doomed to html, not being able to perform the standard tasks of their project. These tasks of every wiktionary, of every wikipedia, of every wikiproject could be summarized in 10 to 20 kinds of modules for each project, I presume. Had they been offered, the editors would just need to 'change the words' and adjust to their language's idiosyncracies. Copypasting an advanced module from a sister project is not a solution. Our modules cannot follow the steps of the excellent en.wikt modules because they are too complicated.
Sir, I have been trying to find a LuaSupport bureau, or a LuaSchool, simply: Lua help. Many kind people assisted me immensely from en.wikt, from en.WP. But I know how boring and irritating to experts childish questions can be: it feels very uncomfortable to go around wikiprojects seeking help. I was hoping that you know if such a LuaSupport were possible, whom to contact, how to ask for it. Thank you for listening. Sarri.greek@el.wiktionary, Sarri.greek (discusscontribs) 19:44, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad you found the Lua course helpful! There used to be a technical advice team. See mw:Technical Advice IRC Meeting. I don't know if they are still active on IRC or not. But a check of the archive would give you names of possible people to contact. Beyond that, I don't know of any Wikimedia Lua support groups. Off-wiki, I'm sure there are Reddit and Stack Exchange / Stack Overflow areas for Lua. But going around wikiprojects seeking help may be the best option. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:59, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

## RMarkdown vignettes with Wikiversity?

Do you have thoughts about what one might do with RMarkdown vignettes that effectively make reproducible the statistical analysis behind, e.g., material I'm publishing on Wikiversity? They would be like appendices to a Wikiversity article that would be in foreign formats.

For example, my Wikiversity article on Forecasting nuclear proliferation is supported by Spencer Graves; Douglas A. Samuelson (2020), "Forecasting nuclear proliferation" (PDF), Ecfun: Functions for Ecdat, Wikidata Q89780728, which is currently a "vignette" as part of my "Ecfun" package for the R (programming language).[1]

Each such vignette in effect comes in three files: (1) A *.Rmd source code master. (2) A *.R file with only the R code. And (3) a display document that could be in HTML, PDF, MS Word, Open Office or some other format. Users typically will first skim the display document. If it interests me enough, I will access the *.R file and walk through that, testing variations to check my understanding. If I really want to do more with it, sometimes I may also want the *.Rmd file, so I can modify it still further.[2]

However, packages submitted to the Comprehensive R Archive Network (CRAN)[3] must meet size restrictions that are suggesting to me that I perhaps should not be storing too many of these things with that package. I recently wrote code to not display the figures with the output so the HTML or PDF would not exceed their size limit!

So, back to my original questions: First, do you agree that it would be smart and appropriate to make available to the reader of the research I publish on Wikiversity these documents that make that research 100% reproducible?[4] If yes, how would you suggest this be done?

Thanks, DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 06:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

References

1. Spencer Graves (4 February 2020), Ecfun: Functions for Ecdat, Wikidata Q56452538.
2. The *.Rmd files are text files in a version of Markdown used especially with RStudio, which are easily compiled (or "knitted") to HTML, PDF, MS Word, or other formats. These are similar to Jupyter notebooks in being designed to support mixing narrative with computer code. A year or two ago, I was writing code in both Python and R, and I found I could use both Python and R in the same RMarkdown vignette, when I was unable to do that in Jupyter. I've since heard that Jupyter now supports that. However, I haven't since had a need for that, so I have not confirmed that. RMarkdown is under active development and things like figure numbers with references are only supported with some output types but not others. I'd have to research it to be more specific. And what seemed not to work yesterday may work today and vice versa. The problem with things breaking suggests to me that the RStudio developers have not been super rigorous about developing enough unit tests for what they have done. However, it's free and open source, so I'm grateful that it works and is available!
3. Comprehensive R Archive Network, Wikidata Q2086703.
4. And trivially reproducible for someone who can install the free and open-source R and RStudio software and make it work for them.

You can certainly include source code in a Wikiversity page. There would be two approaches. You could either include it in a collapsable section or include it as a subpage. I prefer the subpage approach myself, but I don't have a particular reason other than not wanting to require JavaScript functionality for a user to access the content.
If I understand correctly, you have three files you are considering including. I don't think the mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight extension supports .rmd, but you could tag that as text. R is supported. HTML is also supported, but I'm not sure it's necessary to include the full HTML if you have the source code to regenerate it, particularly since what you would want to display is the HTML result, not the HTML itself.
I would include a link to an environment that can generate the results, if possible, but I would include the code here with the article rather than assuming that another venue will continue to host it perpetually. Keep the article and code together for future users. For an example of how I do this, see Programming Fundamentals/Introduction/Python3.
Also, you may be interested in something I've been working on for Server-Side Scripting. I now have links where users can easily pull their own sample data. You may want to include something like this for your own work. Examples include:
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:51, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Dave:
Consistent, I think, with your suggestions, I've added a section on "Appendix. Companion RMarkdown vignettes" to the Wikiversity article on "Forecasting nuclear proliferation". This consists primarily of links to two subpages:
both of which consist essentially of an introduction on how to get R and RStudio if you don't already have them followed by the RMarkdown code between <syntaxhighlight lang="R Markdown"> and </syntaxhighlight>. They also include separate sections giving the companion LaTeX bib.
Thanks, DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 04:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Very thorough. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
What do you think about writing an article for The R Journal, ISSN 2073-4859, Wikidata Q15817103 on something like "Wikiversity for teaching materials and reproducible research"?
The article could start with a broad overview of the mission of Wikiversity and it's relationship to Wikipedia. It could cite a few Wikiversity articles that discuss R, including "R (programming language)" and "Searching R Packages". It could cite Peter Binkley (2006), "Wikipedia Grows Up", Feliciter (2): 59–61, Wikidata Q66411582, noting that people who might otherwise be trapped in their own echo chambers instead collaborate to produce a narrative that people with very different world views can more or less live with. Also, Feng Shi; Misha Teplitskiy; Eamon Duede; James A Evans (29 November 2017), The Wisdom of Polarized Crowds (PDF), arXiv:1712.06414, Wikidata Q47248083 did a content analysis of all edits to English Wikipedia articles relating to politics, social issues and science from its start to December 1, 2016, and concluded that (a) the best articles tended to have large teams of editors, arguing over important issues, (b) 95% of articles could be improved by attracting more editors, and (c) only 5% of articles showed signs of counterproductive conflict. All this suggests that Wikiversity could become a leading platform for crowdsourcing research. We could cite my articles on "Forecasting nuclear proliferation" with its R Markdown appendices to display it as a venue for prepublication review, inviting the entire world to collaborate in pushing the boundaries of knowledge on the chosen topic. That so far hasn't happened with "Forecasting nuclear proliferation", but it could.
If you wanted to write such, I'd be happy to review it. If you wanted me as a co-author, I would not want to commit to doing much on it until maybe late next year. I'm planning to submit "Forecasting nuclear proliferation" and "International Conflict Observatory" to refereed academic journals, and I have other papers in my head that I want to write before I'd want to take the lead on something like this.
However, I think The R Journal might like something like this. I published an article there several years ago (as Spencer Graves, Wikidata Q56452480).
And thanks again for all your support since I started publishing material on Wikiversity -- including, most obviously, fixing that Lua error. DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 02:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm currently working on a full course that has to be ready by January 15. I'm fortunate that I didn't need to publish to make full professor (community colleges focus on teaching), and what I've published here at Wikiversity has earned national recognition. If you need some content suggestions, let me know, but I'll leave it to you to write the article. Thanks for asking. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
maybe international recognition? DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 02:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

## SPARQL and web scraping?

Do you have thoughts on how to document in Wikidata the links between documents submitted for a specific legal case (Q2334719) and for appeals -- or even how to see how others have done this in more than just a few cases I can easily access manually?

I've made several attempts over the past year to try to get help with this, so far without success. I recently decided I should just do something and document it on Wikiversity if I can't get help from Wikidata wizards. A first step in that regard is my new Wikiversity article, "Create and use a Wikidata item".

I'm especially interested in Fish v. Kobach, which is a case with many appeals and many documents submitted in evidence. Three days ago I asked for help on Wikidata:Wikidata:Project chat#Wikidata tutorial on Wikiversity. I started studying documentation on SPARQL and submitted a question on that on Wikidata:Wikidata:Project chat#How to get all properties for Wikidata items?

I can get URLs for all Wikidata items for which (instance of(P31) = legal case (Q2334719)).[1] I can then use R to scrape the information from those URLs. With luck, I should be able to see how to get what I want from that. However, there should be a simpler way.

Suggestions? Thanks, DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 14:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't. I'd have to research it and see if I can figure something out. The only thing I've tried took me three days to crack. For someone with 28 years of database experience, what they've done with Wikidata is not intuitive to me at all. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:24, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
That's fine. I'm making progress studying SPARQL. If I can't figure out how to do it with SPARQL in another day or two, I will see what I can do scraping Wikidata items from the web.
FYI, I've developed another use for Wikidata: I'm on the Board of a small nonprofit in Kansas City that years ago created a Community Organization Directory. I have a meeting tomorrow to discuss migrating that directory to Wikidata. If I'm successful, I can involve more people in creating and maintaining information on various community organizations in the greater Kansas City area. The Wikidata items would need to be structured in a way that key information can be extracted with a SPARQL query. I can document how to do create and maintain such entries in a learning resource on Wikiversity. I can also document how people can extract the information they want in another learning resource on Wikiversity. The latter would include SPARQL code but packaged in a way that people could easily use it without learning SPARQL -- maybe pressing a button on PeaceWorksKC.org ;-)
If I can do that, I may also involve some of them in editing Wikipedia, especially about activities of their organizations for which independent documentation exists. That would build Wikipedia while also help more people understand "writing from a neutral point of view" and "citing credible sources". I mention this, because I assume you would agree that this would be a great use of WMF resources. Thanks, DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 06:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

## Removal of free engineering resource

Dave,

You deleted my reference page to the free peer-to-peer technical engineering resource page. It is a technical engineering resource for engineers and engineering students. Please reconsider your removal. You have your own page Open Educational Resources listed which I'm sure has similar goals for your IT area of expertise. (The preceding unsigned comment was added by SimpliEngineering (talkcontribs) 12 November 2020‎)

Welcome to Wikiversity. There are several issues with the page and account you created.
1. We don't create discussion portals. I redirected the page you created to its correct destination as a portal talk page.
2. We don't direct users to self-promotional external resources. If you have valuable content you would like to share with engineers and engineering students, please add that content to Wikiversity.
3. Your choice of username is problematic, as the name itself is promotional. Please visit meta:Steward requests/Username changes to request a name change that does not promote your organization or website.
Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:24, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Dave, thank you for the feedback.(The preceding unsigned comment was added by SimpliEngineering (talkcontribs) 12 November 2020‎)