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English-Chinese/The United States of America is a vast country in North AmericaEdit

Hello. I received a private message stating that this page, English-Chinese/The United States of America is a vast country in North America, was removed from the Chinese Wikiversity for misinformation/inaccurate info. Attempts were made by the Chinese Wikiversity community to contact Efex3 about his/her page, but there was no response -- so the page was deleted. I'd thought I would bring this up to you for your opinion and analysis. --—Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 01:50, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

@Atcovi: My concern with the English-Chinese learning project is design. There are currently 1,668 subpages of content. The content appears random and arbitrary, and organization is such that it may only be useful when accessed by search. Whether or not it is serving a purpose for anyone other than Efex3 is hard to say. I don't know that it does any harm, but I don't know that it has any benefit, either. I could write some code to pull statistics about usage if this is something the community would want to investigate.
As to whether or not information is accurate on one of those 1,668 pages isn't something I have an interest in pursuing. I suspect we have at least 10,000 pages of marginally accurate content. If there is a page that has a problem, someone who is concerned by it should be bold and improve it.
I personally am more concerned with overall Wikiversity structure, technical issues, and pages or approaches which might prevent new contributors from participating. Main space landing pages which turn away users rather than invite them to participate should be deleted, moved to draft space, or made subpages of a more appropriate landing page. Subpages of a project are usually ignored unless/until someone complains. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:25, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
@Atcovi: Thanks for raising it up here. I don't mind my name is being put up here, but thanks Dave from doing the necessary redaction. We did ample communication and ran an request for deletion and there's consensus that it is not within inclusion criteria for Chinese Wikiversity for several reasons such as out of scope, lack of veracity as well as misinformation. Mainly the Chinese letters. I raised to Actovi as I knew him from enwikibooks. I will say that every project does have it's rules, so a page may be accepted at English but not Chinese and vice-versa. Due to my Custodian duty and other crosswiki commitment and alongside quite bad relationships with them, I'm unlikely able to BOLDly improve those here. Pardon me. If the English Wikiversity Community decides to keep the articles, I'm happy to accept that. I just wish to have slightly more collaboration between both Wikiversities. Best Regards,--Cohaf (discusscontribs) 06:04, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

SchoolsONE Portal DeletionEdit

Hello, I am not sure this is the best place to post this, but since I did not see any conversation in the SchoolsONE Portal Discussion page, I wanted to make sure I could communicate. I am trying to understand the Terms of Use that you believe the SchoolsONE page is in violation of, so that we can see if there is a solution, or a misunderstanding. Jacob J. Walker (discusscontribs) 02:25, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

@Jacob J. Walker: Wikiversity's mission is to host free learning resources. You are welcome to host free courses here. Using Wikiversity to promote your organization isn't accepted. You can't use Wikiversity to support a service you intend to profit from. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:37, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Ok, there are a few things. I have seen other educational institutions have their branding on their pages. Also, I am honestly not trying to "profit" from my work. Yes, I'd like some day to be able to have my work be my sole source of income, but that is no different than other educational institutions that post things on Wikiversity with paid professors. And I looked through the Terms of Service, and maybe I'm missing something, but what you are telling me does not appear to be in there. Is there another article or document I should refer to, to help me better use Wikiversity? Jacob J. Walker (discusscontribs) 02:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
@Jacob J. Walker: This isn't a question of branding. It is one of promotion. If there are other pages on Wikiversity that you believe excessively promote an organization, please let us know and we will investigate. If you are not trying to profit from your work, don't promote yourself or your organization. Just support Wikiversity's mission by providing free learning resources. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:06, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
I was honestly trying to be transparent, not promote. I want to have the content that is here be a good part of the Wikiversity eco-system, but it is jarring to have work that I'm trying to do for the world good, be accused of violating the Terms of Service, when I tried to read those carefully. Can you still please provide some resources I can read to help me know which content is OK to post here, and which I should keep on my own website? Jacob J. Walker (discusscontribs) 03:10, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
I have installed MediaWiki on my own website, and I'm working on moving the pages you believe should be deleted to that site. Please give me one day to do so, as MediaWiki and Wordpress seem to be fighting with each other right now, and so I need to do some work there. And then, I'd like to continue this dialogue, as I do want to be able to have the work that I'm doing be able to be freely shared with others, and I want to be able to be transparent in a way that does not come off as being self-promoting. But at the same time, some of what is in the courses, are based upon my own theories and models, and academics deserve credit for this, and it would be dishonest to not cite them to me... So please help me be able to do this in the best way. Jacob J. Walker (discusscontribs) 03:34, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Ok, I have re-marked the Portal:SchoolsONE/Participate/Professor_of_Education page for speedy deletion, as I concur that it is out of scope. I'd like to work with you to see how my other pages can be modified to be within accepted practices, and I still would like to have some resources to help me. --Jacob J. Walker (discusscontribs) 12:27, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
I am also adding specific comments on the discussion pages of those pages that were originally marked for deletion, so the dialogue can be more specific to each one. Although, general discussions of the issues at hand probably are still best to be done in this thread --Jacob J. Walker (discusscontribs) 13:15, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: To be quite honest, the conversations with you have made me change my mind about WikiMedia projects. I wanted to try and find a win-win, and have asked for documentation and resources, and when I give evidence about various things and how I'm trying to follow good practices, you never have any constructive ideas about how this can be done, in a way that addresses my legitimate ethical and pedagogical concerns. My goal is to release free content. I am not trying to make money. Yet you brand me as someone who is. Sometimes we must turn a mirror on ourselves. You get paid by a college. Do you ever use your work time to help here? Do other college professors do? Are they transparent about this? From what I have read on Wikiversity, that transparency is important, and that is honestly what I was trying to do. You say that if I need a disclaimer (i.e. transparency) then I shouldn't be here. You have courses for for-profit companies like Microsoft, who often use their certifications to promote their own products more than to objectively look at which skills are actually important to the workplace. Why am I branded as self-promoting, when I have never once mentioned trying to make money, and I have given reasons why I believe that having consistency within the courses and identifying things is good andragogically? I will be taking my content off of Wikiversity, and I will share it on my website. I'll still release it free, as I believe in free content, but it is clear that I cannot work with you in a way that is productive. Please give me a week or so, and then feel free to delete or keep as much of the content that I put on here as you would like.

@Jacob J. Walker: You describe win-win as though this was some type of negotiation. Wikiversity doesn't function that way. You are welcome to host free learning resources here, consistent with the Wikiversity:Mission, and dependent upon the support of the Wikiversity community. Your win is the opportunity to share free learning resources in a community of like-minded individuals where others can take and build on your contributions. That opportunity doesn't involve external organizations or personal profit (or non-profit) motives. The more you reference yourself and your organization, the less the learning opportunity is relevant to this community.

Constructively, remove all references to SchoolsONE and Jacob J. Walker from your contributions and look at what remains. Does that add value for others? If so, it very likely has a place here. If not, it doesn't belong. Pedagogically, the only learning content I see in this project so far is Portal:SchoolsONE/Learning Projects/From Me to We. It sounds like a good learning project, but so far lacks detail.

If you'd like to review and discuss my Wikiversity contributions, I am certainly open to that discussion, but not as a way to deflect and distract from the subject at hand. My user page clearly identifies my organizational connection. I receive zero financial benefit from my Wikiversity contributions, and instead have a fairly significant net loss, because I could easily sell my time and my content for profit elsewhere.

I disagree with your assessment of computer industry certification not addressing real-world skills, but without knowing which certifications you have earned and in which environments you apply those skills, it is difficult to have a meaningful discussion. However, there is wide evidence that earning a computer industry certification produces significant earning potential for individuals. Providing free learning resources that allow individuals to earn those certifications and enhance their careers and their family's socioeconomic status is consistent with the Wikiversity:Mission. I have direct first-hand evidence that at least one certification provider recommends Wikiversity courses for students who can't afford that organization's materials.

The great thing about being a content creator is having freedom to choose where and how we share that content. Wherever you choose to publish, I encourage you to embrace open pedagogy by sharing any content you create with a CC-BY or CC-BY-SA license, so that others may build on your efforts. Best of luck to you. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:10, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

@Dave Braunschweig: If I had good evidence that we could communicate, and not talk past each other, I would try to continue this conversation. I have moved over the pages to my own wiki. When my courses are more complete, I will copy those specific courses back to Wikiversity, as I do believe in what Wikiversity is doing. But because of misunderstandings, we both have spent a lot more time in this unfruitful dialogue, than spending our time on helping the world to be able to learn, which is both of our intentions. I hope you will at least consider how your actions, and assumptions may have scared people, like myself, away from wanting to contribute to this great project. I thought one of the values of WikiMedia projects was to assume good intent. I don't feel you have ever assumed that I have had good intentions. Maybe I'm wrong, and making my own assumptions, but that is how I feel. But when I feel, that by having work that I'm contributing constantly threatened to be deleted, instead of dialogue on finding common ground, it is not worth the risk of contributing. --Jacob J. Walker (discusscontribs) 13:55, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Your invitationEdit

HI Dave,

thank you for your invitation. I'm a pretty experienced Wikipedian, but Wikiversity is a novelty to me. I'm a programmer (currently Python and databases), but philosophy is my passion too :-) Vikom (discusscontribs) 04:23, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@Vikom: We appreciate your contributions! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:51, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

thanks professor,i am so exciting to meet you now,i am in china xi an☺☺☺ Hurry0809 (discusscontribs) 23:56, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Atlantis Location HyphothesisEdit

Please keep discussions centralized at Draft talk:Location hypotheses of Atlantis. --mikeu talk 13:24, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Discussions are archived for review purposes. Please start a new discussion to discuss the topic further.

Edits blockedEdit

For some reason I am having trouble adding content right now, I am getting an error

Error: This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Blocked Edit

Can you help me resolve this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JimKillock (talkcontribs) 07:39, 31 March 2019‎ (UTC)

It should be working now, try it again. Dave, is there an ongoing issue with vandalism using those words? Feel free to revert if there's an issue I'm unaware of. --mikeu talk 12:15, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
That vandal was persistent, but I haven't noticed anything recent. If he/she returns, there are probably better ways to write the filter to not impact currently active users. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:37, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Project boxes that add to a categoryEdit

Could you take a look at the templates in Category:Project boxes and this edit to see if a bot could make similar changes to the other boxes. I don't think we should be indexing draft and user space pages alongside mainspace content. Perhaps we need a switch that creates a parallel hierarchy Category:Draft research projects, though I'd be inclined to not do that. --mikeu talk 16:13, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Mu301: Most of them don't need it. Anything built off of {{type box}}, {{subject box}}, etc., already has it built in. The ones that don't aren't consistent enough to bot easily. At least not from what I've seen so far.
However, I noticed a separate issue where resources included both a template and the category. It would be possible to go through Draft space and remove category entries by bot. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:17, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, that's probsbly a good idea, --mikeu talk 01:43, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

DOIEdit

FYI, the incoming links to DOI are coming from multiple places including [1]. I haven't tracked all of them down, see examples at User:Mu301/DOI. It's more complicated than I realized. --mikeu talk 23:53, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Page Related PrivilegesEdit

Hi, Dave Braunschweig. Do you know where I can request page mover/renamer/merger privileges? I think I might find them useful. Here's what I want to do specifically: I want to merge C/Variables and Expressions, C/Type Qualifiers, C/Data Types and Keywords, C/Storage Classes, and C/Typecasting into one page and call that page Variables. All of those pages are concerned with variables and some of them are too small to be considered individual lessons. If the lesson becomes too complicated, I might consider splitting it into two parts. Thank you! Guywan (discusscontribs) 20:21, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

@Guywan: You'll automatically have move/rename privileges in a few days, but I've temporarily added 'confirmed user' status to your account so that it starts now. Regarding merging, that's not as clean as you might think. The problem is maintaining the content license (attribution). The easiest approach from your perspective would be to copy the content you want from source page to destination, and in the edit summary include a Permanent link (listed on the left) indicating where the content came from. That will maintain the license for the source. Then, when a source page is no longer required, tag it with {{Delete|Merge history into [[pagename]]}}. One of us with delete permissions can then perform the history merge. Give that a try and let us know if you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 21:03, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Another option would be to replace the source page content with #REDIRECT [[pagename]] when you're done with a page. That would also meet the requirements, because the Permanent link would link back to the previous edits. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 21:07, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I've been following the latter method, and unfortunately made a typo in the edit summary of this edit. What do I do to fix this mistake and preserve attribution? Regards, Guywan (discusscontribs) 17:55, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Guywan: Add a section on Talk:C/Variables for sources and list the links there as a backup. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:30, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

RE: Draft Atlantis Location Hypothesis.Edit

Dave,

I apologize for being absent for so long. It appears that the Atlantis Location Hypothesis is intact. I thought that it was going to be deleted. Of course, you realize that I have been involved with many others in building it for over 10 years. I con't know about the legal issues, I am not sure how things are going. I am just concerned that the Atlantis location hypothesis is still in danger of being deleted completely. I can see that some edits have been made which contributed to the Atlantis Location Hypothesis. Speaking of which, I have been contacted through Researchgate by some of Louis Gaspard's team. A recent paper redo published by them has significantly enhanced the description of the mantle plumes in the Azores archipelago. Would I be free to edit the Atlantis Location Hypothesis to include this new information?

Thanks in advance for your consideration or this request. I will check back by this weekend as I know that you have a lot on your mind regarding Wikiversity and that you are otherwise occupied with your college position, also. Leave your reply here or e-mail me, whichever will make you more comfortable. Marshallsumpter has my e-mail address and I may have sent it to you also. Thanks for everything.

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 03:30, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@RAYLEIGH22: The Atlantis learning project should be discussed at Draft talk:Location hypotheses of Atlantis. Please post your questions and concerns there. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:45, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


Dave.

I am done here. Everything I put down in the discussion was deleted. The only way I am going to be able to tell my ideas is in a book. If you want to talk to me about everything then go ahead and contact me through Marshallsumter. He has my e-mail thank you again for everything.

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 11:19, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

@RAYLEIGH22: I think that's a good choice. Creating a book will give you the opportunity to tell your own story without having to worry about contributions or interference from others.
For the record, everything you put down "in the discussion" is still available at Draft talk:Location hypotheses of Atlantis. The content that was deleted was deleted by User:RAYLEIGH22 at [2]. Best of luck to you. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:47, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Dave,

Changes I made included a comment from National Geographic. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/archaeology-and-history/archaeology/atlantis/

Possibly Based on Real Events?

Few, if any, scientists think Atlantis actually existed. Ocean explorer Robert Ballard, the National Geographic explorer-in-residence who discovered the wreck of the Titanic in 1985, notes that "no Nobel laureates" have said that what Plato wrote about Atlantis is true.

Still, Ballard says, the legend of Atlantis is a "logical" one since cataclysmic floods and volcanic explosions have happened throughout history, including one event that had some similarities to the story of the destruction of Atlantis. About 3,600 years ago, a massive volcanic eruption devastated the island of Santorini in the Aegean Sea near Greece. At the time, a highly advanced society of Minoans lived on Santorini. The Minoan civilization disappeared suddenly at about the same time as the volcanic eruption.

But Ballard doesn't think Santorini was Atlantis, because the time of the eruption on that island doesn't coincide with when Plato said Atlantis was destroyed.

There was another quote that classified what I was doing as Folklore, which has some basis in fact. I have yet to see a convincing geological argument about how Santorini was Atlantis and the grants that they are getting for that dig almost have to be coming on speculation that they will find a link in the digs. Those digs have been going on for years now and it has not happened yet. Even then, its hard to believe.

So Dave, I feel strongly this Mu fellow has something to do with the classical digs at Santorini. You know, the ones that Doug Weller was so defensive of and basically drove me from Wikipedia over. But that's just speculation and you know how I love to speculate.

Another speculation is that I have drug you into this mess and so I want to apologize to you for causing you so many problems over the years. This has been going on for over a decade now and I am sure that every geologist in the Azores knows my name. email me, I am sure that you have my e-mail and if not you can get it through MarshallSumter. I looked at Mu321's Wikiversity page and it looks nice, he's looking for student astronomers, it seems. I hope he gets some.

Thanks again for all that you have done.

John

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 17:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

If any mistakes in my edit "Offensive_user_names" My apologiesEdit

(KOItopet (discusscontribs) 16:52, 30 April 2019 (UTC))

Please continue the discussion at Wikiversity talk:Username. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:39, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Againe i corrected , if any mistakes my opologiesEdit

I was removed one link double entry, one link error , and added 3 wikies user name polices pages,I request you please excuse me if i do any mistakes.

(KOItopet (discusscontribs) 18:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC))

OMG!Edit

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I don't know what has happened. I don't know HOW it happened. I just know that YOU and Marshallsumter are the reason that it happened.

Thank you, I cannot say it enough...

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 20:08, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

To know how the sixth sense worksEdit

Sir,

   I,  Debangana Chakraborty also have visions of future. I forget the dreams but it happens it gives me kind of A flashback that it had already happened to me long ago. But i would like to know how does these visionary dreams takes place. 
                                         Thanking you, Debangana Chakraborty (discusscontribs) 09:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
@Debangana Chakraborty: Sorry, that's not my area of expertise. Also note that, in general, fringe science is not well-supported at Wikiversity. I recommend searching elsewhere for this information. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:05, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

United StatesEdit

Thanks for reminding me, I will try to add more. Is this a Topic? I found that many Topics are redirected to the Portal or the main space. --Encore Melody (discusscontribs) 15:20, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@Wasami007: The Topic namespace is no longer used. Note that the Portal namespace is not indexed. Portals are used to organize and discuss content rather than present content. They are similar to Wikipedia Projects. Unless there are other users also interested in working with you on this project, there's no advantage to having a portal.
If you wish to rename your user account, see Special:GlobalRenameRequest. It's really confusing for others when your displayed name does not match (and has no relation to) your username. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:39, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I was updated following pageEdit

Wikiversity_talk:Username

If it is mistake Apologies

(KOItopet (discusscontribs) 04:40, 14 May 2019 (UTC))

OMG, sorry!Edit

OMG! I need to talk to that cousin that set up my Wikiversity account! I am still figuring this out. I'm sorry, and I'll try to understand this. I see Tallpoppyisajfan also got a warning. I'll let her take care of that. I'm sorry, and I'll try to find somewhere else to talk. I actually joined for using the Wikiversity how it said... you see where it ended up. I will talk to Poppy. I'm quitting temporarily; we'll see what happens.

Sorry again, Dove.

@DiopsideDove: Thanks for your understanding. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:00, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Could you provide me the deleted pages?Edit

Dave, could you be so kind to provide me the text of deleted pages: Can Human Rights Be Accomplished Experiment and pages linked from it? My email: porton@narod.ru (The preceding unsigned comment was added by VictorPorton (talkcontribs) 22 June 2019)

@VictorPorton: Sent via Special:EmailUser/VictorPorton. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:43, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Department of Occupational and Environmental Health Sciences, University of PanamáEdit

Dave, could you provide me the pages i redirected to Spanish, to keep the original from 24 og June 2019 entitled Module book for occupational medicine in university of Panama, thank you --Saltrabook (discusscontribs) 20:17, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@Saltrabook: There is no separate page. The content went with the move. View page history to see previous page content. Also, please note that this is the English Wikiversity. Spanish content needs to be moved to es:Wikiversidad. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:12, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

edit you should know aboutEdit

Dave,

I made an edit in both Drafts to a reference that pre-dates Plato. I do not know your status, I am trying to follow up. Hope all is well with you and Mu ###

thanks!

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 03:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

@RAYLEIGH22: Please stop using this page to announce your edits. The harder you try, the more fringe your efforts appear and the less likely they are to be accepted. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:35, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

“See Also” or “See also”Edit

Which one is correct? Or are both acceptable? SelfieCity (discusscontribs) 14:11, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@SelfieCity: See Wikiversity:Naming conventions. Wikiversity accepts both Title Case and Sentence case. I find that academics prefer Title Case, and those with Wikipedia experience prefer Sentence case. Students generally don't care either way. Whatever casing you choose, try to be consistent throughout the lesson or project. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Sure, thanks for the explanation. I plan to leave the other alone in future when I see it. SelfieCity (discusscontribs) 14:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Page Template:TOC limit/styles.css has no content.Edit

Dave, I am now getting lots of "Page Template:TOC limit/styles.css has no content." errors. See, for example: Thinking Scientifically and many other pages. These error messages are new. There was no similar error when the pages were created. Has to TOC template changed? Is a file missing? Thanks for your help with this. --Lbeaumont (discusscontribs) 15:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@Lbeaumont: The error message was exactly describing the problem. Template:TOC limit template did not have a supporting Template:TOC limit/styles.css page. Now imported. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia:TemplateStyles for more information. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:43, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! --Lbeaumont (discusscontribs) 21:39, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Department of Occupational and Environmental Health Sciences, University of PanamáEdit

Dave, Question, why did you move the page Department of occupational ... to Saltrabook ? Thanks --Saltrabook (discusscontribs) 13:49, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Saltrabook: See your talk page. Two different bureaucrats have pointed out over a two-year period that this is the English Wikiversity, and content and titles need to be in English. Despite these warnings, your contributions of Spanish content and titles have accelerated rather than declined.
If you want to continue to use the English Wikiversity for non-English content, you'll need to do it from user space rather than main space. My personal recommendation is that you should move this content to Wikiversidad, where other Spanish-speaking individuals will be able find it and benefit from it. The other option would be to translate everything to English and then move it back to main space. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:18, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

ThanksEdit

Thanks for your comments to me - I'm new to this and appreciate helpful feedback.

Bob Keith

--UIowagrad (discusscontribs) 19:21, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you !Edit

Thanks for the welcome ! Let me know if there's anything I should be doing here which I'm not - first time doing research on Wikiversity !

All the best,

Coin Researcher

HiEdit

Hi, I have reverted the edits that you made because you replaced the page with a soft redirect where the author of this page did not approve you to do so. Please ask User:Reception123 or User:Guy vandegrift to ask approval being undoing my edit. Thank you. --Znotch190711 (talk to memy edits) 02:17, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Znotch190711: I appreciate your desire to help improve Wikiversity, but I encourage you to work on approach. Your comments are too demanding, and make assumptions of page "ownership" not supported by this community. Reception123 is not an active user, and Guy vadegrift knows very well that he can make whatever corrections he wishes. Please spend some time learning more about Wikiversity before engaging in this type of conflict. If you have specific concerns about Miraheze, please use that talk page to discuss them. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:07, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

About KoreanEdit

Hello Dave! I have created the wikiversity article "About Korean" to become a set of Korean side stories or gaiden in addition to such a formal, academic article as v:Korean Language and w:Korean Language. However little you may know Korean, you are entitled to create the wikiversity article "Korean Language" but maybe not so to destroy the originator's initiative "About Korean" as such, I am afraid.  KYPark [T] 14:18, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@KYPark: The existing Korean content needed to be better organized. Your edit highlighted this need. If the content you wish to add doesn't fit into Korean Language, please extract it and create a different project. But note that "About Korean" isn't an appropriate (grammatically correct) title. Korean Culture or Korean Stories sound like a better fit, allowing others to find and build on the content. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: Thanks for your considerate reply. I accept that "About Korean" may not fit. Instead, then, how about "Korean vocabulary (mass comparison)"? Note "w: mass comparison" is quite a thesis!  KYPark [T] 07:23, 24 August 2019 (UTC) Or, "Korean words (mass comparison)"?  KYPark [T] 07:28, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
@KYPark: Either Korean vocabulary or Korean words would be a subset of Korean Language, but if it's easier for you to envision this as a separate project, go for it. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:27, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: From the mass comparison and Korean language perspectives, while both remain unorthodox, I prefer separate "Korean words (mass comparison)" to likely orthodox "Korean Vocabulary" under "Korean Language". For I like avoiding edit wars against orthodoxy if both are mixed up. -- KYPark [T] 04:29, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

hello ! Can you help me ?Edit

I am trying to create a gallery on the page Evasion halfpennies c. 1672 - 1806. But it is not rendering properly. I am following the guidelines of Template:Gallery for formatting. Can you help ? I'm new at this ! All the best, Coin Researcher

@Coinresearcher: See Wikipedia:Help:Gallery tag. Unfortunately, it's not quite as flexible as you might like. You'll need to decide whether you want a simple gallery, or if you want to continue defining the formatting and information more explicitly.
Also, see Wikiversity:Signature for how to sign your name with date and timestamp. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:20, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you ! This is is very useful - I will fix these all up tomorrow. --Coinresearcher (discusscontribs) 00:08, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

ThanksEdit

Sir, Thanks for the welcome template on my discussion page. Sachinthonakkara (discusscontribs) 05:41, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

SALIVA HYPERNATRIUMEdit

Dear Professor Braunschweig, I have commenced/drafted a Wikiversity page regarding some new research - Saliva Hypernatrium. I am hoping I have done this correctly. Is it possible to make this page active as soon as possible, so that we can attain other contributors to this field. Thank you. - LC --LinzCarey (discusscontribs) 22:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@LinzCarey: All Wikiversity wiki pages are active immediately. I've renamed the page to Saliva Hypernatrium to be more consistent with Wikiversity:Naming conventions. Let me know if you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 23:20, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you - LC --LinzCarey (discusscontribs) 23:29, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Planets and GeographyEdit

Just so you know, I am quite busy on multiple wikis (and life, to some extent), and that is why I haven’t done too much here lately. I will try to do more work here in the future, hopefully soon. SelfieCity (discusscontribs) 16:06, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Re: Wikiversity Naming ConventionsEdit

Dear Dave,

thanks for your feedback regarding uppercase/lowercase naming conventions at Wikiversity.

As you may have noticed I moved some pages which belonged to WikiJournal of Medicine. We have formed an academic journal on the WikiVersity platform. As a member of its Editorial Board I made those bold edits. In academic publishing it is very common for editors to reserve rights for such minor changes. We are trying to keep a consistent style within our journal.

with kindest regards,

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

@Stevenfruitsmaak: Thanks for the explanation, but it is inconsistent with the edit summary applied when the pages were moved. Wikiversity does not follow "downstyle caps per Wiki conventions", and there were WikiJournal editors who worked on the article before you who would have renamed the article if title case was a problem. Therefore, as mentioned on your talk page, you are welcome to use either Title Case or Sentence case for articles you create, but please do not change case on articles other users created specifically with the casing they prefer. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Block evasionEdit

Hey, noticed you blocked 83.31.61.173 yesterday, they made some super questionable edits on enwiki and plwiki so I'm wondering what the evasion is for? Praxidicae (discusscontribs) 14:14, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

@Praxidicae: Based on IP location and content interest, it is very likely Special:CentralAuth/Jan_Paweł_ll. I was just too lazy to look up the account name yesterday when I added the block. Thanks for checking. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:19, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
ahah! Thanks. Praxidicae (discusscontribs) 15:19, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 19:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


AudacityEdit

Hi Dave,

Peter Sampson here - I registered a new account today on Wikiversity under the name of Audacity-QA (I am Audacity Team member working on QA and documentation). I have added to my user page with my Audacity credentials as you requested.

  1. Can you tell me a bit more about Wikiversity, who it targets and who uses it?
  2. Is the Audacity page regularly used?
  3. Is the site regularly maintained?

I registered to clean up the page especially with regard to links that needed repairing due to our changes at Audacity and to update for menu changes in the app. I am proposing to further delete the link for WikiEducator>Using Audacity as it was created 11 years ago and appears not to have been updated since - and in that time Audacity has moved on and changed a lot and the material on that site is well out of date and likely to cause confusion. Do you disagree?

Cheers, Peter.

@Audacity-QA: Hi Peter! Wikiversity is a sister project of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is encyclopedia content. Wikiversity has a dual mission of hosting free learning resources and activities. So, you may see lessons here with instructions for "learning by doing", or you may see the actual doing part, where people (students) use Wikiversity to create their assignment content. See Wikiversity:Mission for more information.
Wikiversity is used by anyone who finds it in a search. Some Wikiversity resources are the #1 link returned in a Google search for that topic. It is also used by academics who believe in open educational resources and teaching using open educational practices.
For frequency of use on a particular resource, select History at the top of the page and then Page Views. The Audacity resource was not particularly popular until the beginning of September. If those views are from you, it's still not popular. Otherwise, someone has been using it quite regularly this month. To me, it looks like a class may be using it. There is no way I know of to know who or where, though, unless they edit.
Is the site regularly maintained? Yes, Wikiversity is updated daily. Are individual pages regularly maintained? Generally, no. It depends on who watches the pages and who reviews them. My active courses are updated each semester by me and my students. My inactive courses are updated whenever someone discovers that they need to be updated. Other resources here follow a similar pattern.
I know nothing about Audacity, and wouldn't be able to offer an opinion one way or another regarding updating content on that page.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:18, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig:Hi Dave, thanks for that, some useful information there. No it was not me accessing it at the beginning of September, today was my first day - another Audacity Team Member stumbled across it last night. I also have an editor account on Wikipedia and watch and maintain the Audacity page there - I will now add the same for the Wikiversity page and put it on regular watch. (BTW how do I upload images on this wiki? I would like to update the Audacity screen grab image - the logo is our latest logo though, which is good).
@Audacity-QA: Images are best maintained at Wikimedia Commons. They verify licensing. Any images on Commons can be referenced / included on any Wikimedia project. If you have an image Commons won't accept, but you think might qualify as Fair Use, it can be uploaded here using the Upload file link on the left. You have to wait a few days and a few edits before your account will have rights to upload files here. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Asking for AdviceEdit

Hi Dave,

I'm not sure that this is the appropriate place to leave you a message but I was wondering if I could ask for your advice. This semester I have a particularly outstanding student who created an article that is exceptional. I was wondering what it would take for the student to publish the article on Wikipedia. She's not a seasoned editor and I know that Wikipedia's rules are very strict. I was wondering if you could provide me with additional input on this. You can find the article here: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Digital_Media_Concepts/White_Supremacy_on_the_Internet

Thanks again so much for all your help and support over the years. We really appreciate it.

@Ireicher2: It is a great article. I suspect Wikipedia won't take it in its current form. They will probably want it merged into Wikipedia:White supremacy. In terms of working with someone at Wikipedia in education, I would start with https://wikiedu.org/teach-with-wikipedia/ . There is contact information at the bottom of the page. See what they would recommend.
If you'd like, we can highlight it here (news announcement on the main page), and also pull it out to a main page resource if you and/or the author would prefer. You can also highlight it on the Digital Media Concepts page, perhaps in a section titled Outstanding Contributions or Examples of High Quality Projects, or similar. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 18:07, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: That would be great. Thanks so much, Dave. -- Ireicher2 (discusscontribs) 01:12, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
@Ireicher2:  Y Done See Main Page/News. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:20, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

I can’t even post a question?Edit

I tried to start a page. Unauthorized. I tried to ask you a question. Unauthorized. How can I get my full question to you? How can I get authorized to start pages? Thanks. DErnestWachter (discusscontribs) 02:37, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@DErnestWachter: Welcome to Wikiversity! Please slow down and learn more about Wikiversity, and what content may and may not be posted. You are welcome to write your own content, and link to sources of content you believe to be important for others to reference. Copyrighted content is not accepted unless you own the copyright. Open content under CC-BY or CC-BY-SA may only be posted with reference to the original source. In most cases, it is better to link and avoid problems than try to copy large blocks of text. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:30, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Can a WV resource be licensed NC?Edit

Raspanti has agreed to release his book under CC-BY-SA-NC. I understand that WV files can have this license, but can WV resource pages also have it?

  1. Note that the bottom of each page contains the statement:"Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply."
  2. I placed the resource under Raspanti's user page because if the NC stipulation is not permitted, I will attempt to persuade the WMF to at least permit the stipulation in someone's userspace.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 20:38, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
@Guy vandegrift: No. First, note that it is CC-BY-NC-SA. I don't know that it matters legally, but it is always written with NC before SA. Second, CC-BY-SA is explicitly not compatible with CC-BY-NC-SA. See https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Wiki/cc_license_compatibility . You're not going to be able to use wiki pages for this, only a file upload.
What you might consider instead is using something like Pressbooks. Pressbooks allows for a different license on each page, or an overall license and then a different license on specific pages. This would allow you to combine CC-BY-SA and CC-BY-NC-SA resources, as long as you don't mix them. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:45, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: Would it be correct to say that Cc-by-nc-sa pdf files are allowed on WV because CC-by-sa WV mainspace pages only link to the pdf files? If that is the case, I assume that I can break the book up into 19 chapter.pdf files and create 19 subpages to a to a WV mainspace page on the book. Each subpage would begin with a link to the chapter pdf file, followed by questions and discussions that users would contribute. The good news for me is that although the final product is bit more tacky, it will be much less work to subdivide File:Physics_for_beginners_Original_Version.pdf into smaller pdf files than attempt to create a wiki-text version of the book.
@Guy vandegrift: Yes, files have their own licenses, and the CC-BY-SA content links to it. Yes, you can absolutely create separate CC-BY-NC-SA chapters for the book and upload those files. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:03, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
I am aware that Quizbank is somewhat incompatible with Wikiversity. But I would much prefer to find a better home for it after I have managed to find funding and/or serious collaborators on the project. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 21:51, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

I cannot post questions here. Who can I email?Edit

This site will not allow me to ask actual specific questions. Who can I email? Thank you. DErnestWachter (discusscontribs) 20:48, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@DErnestWachter: The site will allow you to ask specific questions. You just asked one. I appreciate your frustration, but you need to slow down until you have time to learn more about Wikiversity, and the edit filters have time to recognize your experience level through a limited number of days and posts. Your enthusiasm is exceeding our ability to support you. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:59, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Erm...Edit

I happened across the above user just by chance while patrolling spam and I dug into their contribs here and on enwiki and they do not appear to be here (on any project) to build an encyclopedia. They've created several hoaxes within articles on enwiki as well as here with their OR and attacks. I won't pretend to understand all the nuance of Wikiversity but I feel that we shouldn't allow hoaxes to sit around anywhere and this user appears to be pushing his thoughts in a lot of places. Praxidicae (discusscontribs) 16:44, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

@Praxidicae: Thanks for sharing. I agree they are not here to build an encyclopedia. Original research isn't necessarily a problem on Wikiversity, but fringe research is not welcome without an appropriate label, and even then can be a bridge too far. Whether or not they are here to build legitimate learning resources or just hoaxes remains to be determined, but I appreciate your input. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
This is definitely beyond fringe. In the interest of not violating any outing policy, I'll just leave it at that if you search some of their creations yourself ;) They've now been indeffed on enwiki for attacks and creating nonsense. I know that doesn't change things here but figured you might like to know. :) Praxidicae (discusscontribs) 17:30, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

CookieEdit

Thanks for being so helpful when I abruptly showed up with my ideas, and for everything else you've done on Wikiversity! Sincerily, MoonyTheDwarf (discusscontribs) 18:29, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Now I owe you another cookie.. But best not to fill your talkpage with cookies, hmm? Thank you, will make things easier. --MoonyTheDwarf (discusscontribs) 01:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

My talk pageEdit

Hello, could you please unprotect my talk page? Thank you, Vermont (discusscontribs) 23:52, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

 Y Done --mikeu talk 23:57, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

article I am writingEdit

Hi Dave, I am putting an article together User:Faendalimas/What_is_in_a_Name that is a written out version of a plenary lecture I gave at an international conference in 2018. I have been asked many times by people who saw it to actually publish it. So I have left a link on User_talk:Evolution_and_evolvability#started_an_article with the aim of having it included in the WikiJournal of Science. However I am also interested in if it would be of use here on Wikiversity. Its a work in progress getting it from powerpoint presentation to more article style. but enough of it is there to give an idea of where it is going. Would appreciate your views. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 02:47, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

(Wiki2Reveal) Excuse me for jumping into the dicussion. If you think about Work in progress prior to publication in WikiJournal and being transparent in who contributed what for presentation you can think about a collaborative Wikiversity page that has short sections that can either be printed directly from Wikiversity or used with Wiki2Reveal in RevealJS with an on-the-fly conversion of the Wiki Markdown in a webbased presentation format with the possibility of stylus annotation on the slides and audio comments if needed. In general we could think about the option of providing a Wiki2Reveal-presentation-Link with audio comment along with the Wikiversity source page, that was used to generate the webbased presentation on the fly. Transfered to a WikiJournal-article about Lysenin we could provide a link to Wikiversity page for a webbased presentation with audio comments on right menu along with PDF, DOI, XML output similar to Wiki2Reveal link for the mentioned german Mathematics lecture with audio comment. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 10:31, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
@Faendalimas: I'm not an expert in either Conservation Biology or Taxonomy, but it seems good to me. I am curious, though, that you see a WikiJournal of Science publication separate from Wikiversity. I've never thought of them as separate before. How can we make these resources easier to find? Do we need redirects to each one by title, without "WikiJournal of .../" on the front? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Not separate, I am refering to the doi linked permanent publication as a document part of the journal compared to the more dynamic and often any user edited Wiki online pages. I think the site is one site of course. I am not sure on how you have been utilising articles that have been published in the WikiJournals so far. My understanding is they become a relevant source of peer reviewed and published material for Wikipedia though. Cheers Scott

@Evolution and evolvability: I'm afraid I don't know enough about the WikiJournal side of things. Thomas, can you provide some perspective here? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:36, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Actually thinking on it, this is effectively a lecture, I could put it under the Biology Portal somewhere if you like, to avoid long length I would divide into a series of lectures on Taxonomy and Conservation, it is undergraduate level for the most part, however, anyone with an interest in the topic could understand it, I try to make my examples understandable to upper high school students. Hence through examples even the more difficult concepts, the tertiary ones, are understandable by most people. I will draft it all out a series of pages where I have it then chat to you about exactly where to move it. I know I can move it just want to make sure I move it how you would want it set up in relation to other pages. I have a research paper I will put through the Journal. I am using these as learning opportunities on how to do things across this wiki. Having the admin tools are one thing but I also need to appreciate the local guidlines, hence publishing a few things here under the various parts of the wiki will teach me this. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 03:43, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
@Faendalimas: Wikiversity doesn't have a lot of editing / formatting rules. Each educator has their own perspective on who their audience is and how to best reach that audience. The article could be fine as is. There are plenty of good, long articles here, and it could stand on its own if you want. As to how to structure it, the guideline would be Wikipedia:Progressive disclosure / Wikipedia:Chunking (writing). The question is whether chunking helps the intended audience. Is this something you would want AP Biology students to understand, or is it really an upper division college discussion? If you want the younger audience, chunk it. If you're going high end, it's probably not worth it. The subheadings serve the same purpose. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 04:30, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
I've said a little about the scope/format of WikiJournals re this over at my talkpage (short version: peer review is probably the unifying feature. Opinion pieces are difficult, but lecture/casestudy/proposal could work). I can imagine the page additionally working well as a stand-alone learning item even without the peer review. Also, as WikiJournals develop more of a back-catalog many of the articles can better be put in living thematic collections (rather then just chronological issues) the same way that PLOS does that might also be more easily added within portals, schools and topics. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 10:37, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you @Evolution and evolvability:. Yes I have concluded that this is better a teaching piece, which was the intent when I delivered it as a plenary. As such I am writing it to be included on Wikiversity under the Zoology Category. I will use a research paper to try out the Wikijournal facet, which will have the usual methods, results, discussions associated with that type of paper. I looked at the Introduction to Taxonomy page which could use some updating but would be a useful prior reading piece for people reading the article I am writing, my piece does assume an understanding of the basics of classification etc. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

CuratorshipEdit

Hi Dave,

I would like to apply for Curatorship. I would like to become more involved in Wikiversity. As you know, I have not been very active lately. I only have editing experience on The DRAFT Atlantis Location Hypothesis. I would like to become more active on Wikiversity and then expand to participation in other areas. I have extensive editing experience on one project, but I should have more time now to learn and to participate in others now.

I am asking if you would be my mentor? Do you have any advice? I am applying in the appropriate place, I hope.

Thanks,

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 13:58, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@RAYLEIGH22: Candidates for Curatorship are listed at Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship#Requests and Nominations for Curatorship. You already applied once. See Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/RAYLEIGH22. At that time, there were outstanding questions that you did not address. The same questions would apply now.
You are (currently) welcome to become more involved in Wikiversity. There's always a long list of dull and boring work to do. I say currently, because you have a history of making edits that require cleanup, placing content where it doesn't belong, and rambling responses that don't address the active discussion. For example, you've been reminded that new discussion posts go at the bottom of a discussion page (preferably using Add Topic), but you posted this one at the top in the middle of a different discussion.
It's unlikely that anyone will be willing to support you as a curator if they need to spend more time cleaning up after you than they see in benefits from your contributions. But there are many ways to support Wikiversity without additional tools. My advice would be to focus. Pick something non-controversial and do it well. Repeat. Then go from there. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

lots of movesEdit

Heya what is with all the moves need help? Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 00:56, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@Faendalimas: When I'm in the mood to feel productive (and usually avoiding something I could or should otherwise be doing real-world), I play Special:RandomRootpage roulette and see what I can find that needs to be cleaned up. Sometimes I don't find a lot. Sometimes I hit something that has been bothering me for awhile and I decide it's time to address it. And sometimes I leave it for another time.
Sure, I can always use help with this. I try to look from the perspective of someone interested in learning more about that subject. Could I learn from it, or would I say to myself, some editor should have deleted this a long time ago? If I think it does more harm to Wikiversity by being a bad example than it provides in educational value, I try to find somewhere more appropriate for it to go.
It's a judgement call, but I try to see what has educational value, what should have been a subpage of something else, what is really better addressed with an {{Advise}} redirect to Wikipedia, what should be a Draft: page until it is better developed, what is really just a homework assignment that should be in User: space, and what should be {{prod}} proposed for deletion or deleted outright based on a lack of content, copyright violation, or other.
I keep telling myself, the better Wikiversity appears to new users, the more people will use it and improve it. The Wikiversity:Statistics keep going up, so I keep working at it. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:15, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
I just asked a rather harsh question of Rayleigh, but aside from that I think his application needs a cleanup. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 01:19, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
@Faendalimas: Technically, it should have another day, but you're right, there's not a snowball's chance of this going forward. As an educator, I struggle between the value of helping people learn for themselves what others already see and just cutting to the chase. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:27, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Yes realise it has time to go I was meaning it could use some formatting to tidy it up for others to read, or should I not worry at this point. I agree, its not going to succeed by the looks of it. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 02:00, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
@Faendalimas: Sometimes, the formatting itself says a lot about the resource. I think it may have been one of Rayleigh's efforts that someone from Wikipedia once asked about cleaning up. My response was, would cleaning it up make it better? I didn't add a site notice for this one, as it didn't seem necessary. Cleaning it up also seems unnecessary. But I appreciate your attention to detail! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:12, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Write?Edit

What can i write about for this project? I have many ideas. Thanks CezauroBlanca (discusscontribs) 15:15, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@CezauroBlanca: Welcome to Wikiversity! I recommend that you spend a little time learning more about Wikiversity. Start with Wikiversity:What is Wikiversity? and some of the other links at the bottom of that page. Then see where your interests lead you. Also see Wikiversity:What Wikiversity is not. Note that you will want to go beyond just writing about something. Instead, try to help others learn something. Some of the Wikiversity:Featured resources will give you an idea of how to do that. Let us know whenever you have any questions. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:23, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

BibleEdit

Hey Dave, I did some editing to the Bible page and some of its surrounding pages as well. I feel like some Divisions and Centers should be merged, specifically the Center of Bible Language/Hermenutics/Translation/Survey. These pages are quite outdated and inactive and I would love to contribute to them (specifically Biblical Survey) but I would like to do it in an organized, centralized environment. Some of these pages don't even have lessons, just a Wikipedia-type "encyclopedia" entry.

From, Mikeduke324. (discusscontribs) 20:27, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@Mikeduke324: We don't have any divisions and centers. That was something created more than a decade ago that lost interest and support over the years. Feel free to be bold and improve these resources. If something should be left out, don't link to it. You can even tag it for proposed deletion ({{prod}}). If it needs to be moved/renamed, you'll be able to do that in a few days, if not now. Go for it! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:50, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok great, thanks for all the help!

From, Mikeduke324. (discusscontribs) 00:07, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Delete Ethernet pageEdit

Really? You delete the content and also our conversation why Computer Networks/Ethernet should be moved to some CompTIA subresource? Wireshark is a top level page but Ethernet cannot be. Seems like crazy to me. Tech201805 (discusscontribs) 06:14, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Editorial note: Resources were not deleted, they were moved to Draft:. The conversation is at User talk:Tech201805. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:02, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

CompTIA resources using generic top level namesEdit

You have create a lot of CompTIA CV based resources which is really welcome but this resource use generic top level domains that do not allow more generic content to be added. In my opinion this resources should be moved to a more specific name and free generic names like Computer Networks/Ethernet for generic content. Thanks. Tech201805 (discusscontribs) 06:14, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Editorial note: This conversation is at User talk:Tech201805. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:04, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Special:Import - SQL FailureEdit

Use Special:Import again for importing LineageOS as a foundation for a learning resource for OpenSource operating system and addressing IT components that can be used for Commercial Data Harvesting. The import call including templates created and SQL-error. So I decided to use Wikipedia2Wikiversity for import. Nevertheless I am worrying that my activities cause maintenance work for SysOps admins. If that is a temporary error due to maintenance of the MediaWiki infrastructure, then everything is OK for me, Wikipedia2Wikiversity does its job and adds automatically a source reference to end of the imported article. On the other hand the Special:import tool provides a chain backwards to previous versions in Wikipedia. Maybe that might be prefered/recommended way of import Wikipedia to Wikiversity. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 11:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

@Bert Niehaus: Can you provide diff links to whatever you are referencing? I've reviewed your recent contributions, and I don't see anything before you posted on this page. My guess is that the SQL error meant the import failed. You have many imports processed after posting here, and those appeared to work correctly. Yes, the Special:Import tool with history supports cc-BY-sa licensing. I don't know what Wikipedia2Wikiversity does, but the Import tool needs to be used when importing wiki articles. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: The SQL-error appeared on the front end after the page header after pressing the import-button - I checked "include templates" for having also the "Infobox" available in Wikiversity. Excuse me for any trouble I caused by using the import tool. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 09:08, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, Dave, Wikipedia2Wikiversity corrects the Wikipedia links, so encyclopedic links within Wikipedia do not work after import, so the main job of Wikipedia2Wikiversity is to convert the link e.g. Article in Wikipedia into inter-wiki links w:en:Article in Wikipedia with the prefix w:en: so reference to encyclopedic explainations to terms are still working. E.g. if the learning resource contains the term Version Control and there is no learning resource in Wikiversity for it, then it makes sense that the link is replaced by an inter-wiki link until a learning resource is available. So I would use the Special:import tool and then I would apply the Wikipedia2Wikiversity tool to replace the links into inter-wiki links when the imported version is available in Wikiversity. This creates a clean history of the document evolution in Wikiversity. Thank you for your reply. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 17:05, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
@Bert Niehaus: Please see Wikiversity:Bots. This sounds like a better approach. But what you are proposing needs a separate account, discussion, and permission to run. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: Wikipedia2Wikiversity uses regular expressions to replace text in a HTML textarea. I did not integrate any write permission in that link-replacement tool for any MediaWiki (neither for Wikipedia nor for Wikiversity), I avoid any possibility for the write-permission of a tool to avoid harmful use. Anyway if fetching an article (read-permission for articles) needs community approval, then I guess also Wiki2Reveal requires community approval, because it fetches an article from Wikiversity and converts the article into a RevealJS presentation without alteration of the Wikiversity source (e.g. for lectures or presentations complementing a WikiJournal article). Do you recommend to add write permission to a tool to alterate Wikiversity source code directly with a bot? I could do so, but I personally would hesitate to implement a write permission to Wikipedia2Wikiversity? An other option could be that I create a second account wikipedia2wikiversity and I login with that account, if I add a new version, that uses that tool. Furthermore for this "separate account approach" it is not required to implement write permissions for that tool and at the same time the alteration with that tool can be identified by the account name. Shall I delete all mathematics lectures in the German Wikiversity, that uses Wiki2Reveal, if client-side coversion into slides of Wikiversity content is not allowed. I can wait for the results of the community discussion and put the content back on the german Wikiversity if and only if I get the community permission to use Wiki2Reveal for lectures? For comparsion of
  • fetching the wiki source or
  • viewing the same page
I guess both operations will create the same server load if conversion is performed on the client/in the browser. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 08:13, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
@Bert Niehaus: This is tricky. It's not automatic updating, but it is manual updating after extensive automated content modification. Whether the code actually commits the save or not may not matter. It would be best to start a community discussion on this to clarify community perspective. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: Thank you for clarification, that is not a technical issue.

SaltrabookEdit

I got it, a good proposal, my plan is to continue in English and do parallel development in Spanish, for those who need that, thanks Dave and enjoy hollidays --Saltrabook (discusscontribs) 19:41, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Re:Contenido de la Wikiversidad InglesaEdit

But...I can't find those contents: only three lines of text. Where is that you need to move? --Antur (discusscontribs) 19:55, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

@Antur and Saltrabook: Thank you for the extremely fast response. Please see User talk:Saltrabook#Non-English Content. There are more than 200 pages that need to be moved / imported. If using a bot to process the moves is preferred, please let us know. We would just need bot permissions for User:MaintenanceBot and any special instructions for local Wikiversidad requirements or expectations. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:13, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much: I give the permission to move all the pages with Spanish text in "en.wikiversity" using "a bot to process the moves to "es.wikiversity" in order to be able to switch between the Languages. --Saltrabook (discusscontribs) 20:58, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

@Saltrabook: The bot has permission to operate on en.wikiversity. It does not (yet?) have permission to operate on es.wikiversity. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 21:44, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
No problem with lack of the bot. Im going to use {{Translations}} for multilingual content on the English Wikiversity to Spanish Wikiversidad and vice versa and I do the cleaning and file transfer myself in a week.

But I need help to establish the new files and the transfer in the multilingual (Language) function on the pages:

to a (new) es.wikversity Departamento de las Ciencias de la Salud Ocupacional y Ambiental, Universidad de Panamá

Then as unblocked, I will clean up the content en.wikiversity and es.wikiversity in less than a week thanks on beforehand --Saltrabook (discusscontribs) 23:51, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

@Saltrabook: The content will require a new structure and much of it will require new page titles. It should also not be in your user space, as you frequently have other users contributing to these pages. If Department of Occupational and Environmental Health Sciences, University of Panamá is correct, you should use that, and start moving pages under it with correct English titles. Add the same title and /es for the Spanish translation. If you can make a list of old title -> new title, the moves can be automated.
It's not clear what you are requesting for switching languages, and there is no existing content at User:Saltrabook/Department of Occupational and Environmental Health Sciences, University of Panamá/Ongoing Research Projects to switch. I will need you to be much more explicit in describing what you want to occur so that I can assist correctly. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 04:14, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: I appreciate your help and advice very much.
  1. Yes Department of Occupational and Environmental Health Sciences, University of Panamá is the correct English title of the main page.
  2. For the moves, let me try manual and (if needed)I come back with a list of old title -> new title, so the moves can be automated, but later.
  3. The same, main page in the Spanish translation, please change to be: Departamento de las Ciencias de la Salud Ocupacional y Ambiental, Universidad de Panamá
  4. "It's not clear what you are requesting for switching languages" answer: my request is exactly this you added : {{Translations|{{BASEPAGENAME}}}} {{Translations|{{PAGENAME}}}}

Thank you very much --Saltrabook (discusscontribs) 14:42, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

@Saltrabook: Pages can now be created, but must be created with English titles. Once the English pages are added, /es subpages can be added with translations. For Spanish titles, you need to use es:Wikiversidad. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:10, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: Thanks a lot, I appreciate your highly skilled help and advice very much --Saltrabook (discusscontribs) 20:21, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Technical writing/jobs interviewEdit

@Dave Braunschweig: thanks so much for your messages. I will read the comprehensive page on job interview. And I must say I appreciate the good work you are doing.

God bless you. (The preceding unsigned comment was added by Greatjay77 (talkcontribs) 30 December 2019)

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