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Most viewed pages on Wikiversity?Edit

Ever since I found out how many views my pages have been getting, I've been interested in seeing what the most viewed pages on Wikiversity are. Is there a tool for this? ---Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 00:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Atcovi: See Wikiversity:Statistics. There are tools available to display most popular by day and by month. I also combine the results for the top 1000 for the year. I'll do that soon. The statistics results are somewhat surprising, and suggest that users find what they are interested in using Internet search engines rather than local resources. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:28, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


I'd be interested in your opinion on User:Mu301/Learning_blog/2018-01#The_World_Wide_Wikiverse and this discussion. Have you looked into what wikidata is currently doing and what their plans for the future are? --mikeu talk 18:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I haven't. I've made a few edits at Wikidata, but hadn't noticed any automated additions from our side. Where Wikidata ultimately goes is probably augmented reality Just as a Google search now pulls up Wikipedia explanations of subjects "above the fold" (and occasionally a Wikiversity lede!), we will start to see this type of information provided as augmented reality on our mobile devices and heads-up displays. Yes, we definitely have quality issues to address before that happens. But also see Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 135#RfC: sister projects in search results. Wikiversity isn't included in search results. Maybe the Wikidata folks have taken a different view. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:27, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Not welcome at Commons.Edit

Re: "Not welcome at Commons based on current summary information."[1] Why? --mikeu talk 03:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

@Mu301: I don't remember anymore. @Green Giant: can you help? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:56, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm just curious. Public domain looks within scope there. --mikeu talk 04:14, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello Dave and @Mu301: Thank you for pointing this out. It seems you (Dave) tried to transfer the file to Commons in March 2016 but forgot to add a PD tag. It was deleted because it had no license for seven days. I’m pretty confident that it really is PD, so I have restored it and added a PD-anon-1923 tag, which should mean it isn’t a problem for Commons anymore. The local file can be deleted or kept if you wish but it is now on my watch list so I’ll keep an eye on it on Commons. Green Giant (discusscontribs) 13:47, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
I’ve deleted the local copy. Green Giant (discusscontribs) 13:03, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Confusion on the Draft space vote/discussionEdit

Dave, I was looking at Wikiversity:Requests_for_Deletion#All_other_options_(e.g.,_move_to_subspace_X) and have noticed that the discussion morphed into a vote on whether to create a Draft: space soon after you brought it up in a discussion. I advocated it, but don't think I have actually voted. I see a   Support at the top just prior to what I believe is Green Giant's vote. I seemed to have caused confusion by inserting a comment into Green Giant's territory that makes it appear that was my vote. Later, I wrote "General support for the Green Giant suggestions", but there is no vote. If Green Giant supports, where is his vote? I am not rushing you to declare consensus (but won't complain if you do!)--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 19:53, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

This is happening too often. (It's not just you, Guy, a number of others including myself are doing the same thing.) We really need a better system going forward where we have a clearly demarcated discussion area followed by a simple voting area (with comments banned from the later, but allowing diff links to discussion above.) Otherwise these forums become quickly unreadable. I'm not sure if what I just described is the best solution, just throwing it out there. --mikeu talk 20:36, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
I commented out some of the discussion and created an new header for the voting. The count is 5-2 but I demand a recount!   Where is my vote?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 04:26, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
@Guy vandegrift: You have a general support bullet point. If that doesn't seem sufficient to you, please edit as necessary. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
We should carefully examine the "hanging chad" on that one to determine voter intent ;) --mikeu talk 16:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Should we begin to discuss the structure of draftspace now?Edit

I was thinking of starting the conversation on how draftspace should be configured. I have a lot on my plate, and would rather postpone till later...But: I have noticed that sometimes the phrabricator request is denied or delayed. If that is the case, it might be nice to have some details I can show them. To prevent the debate from getting chaotic, I would work on a blog in my userspace. If you think this advanced draftspace planning a necessary precaution, let me know and I will begin soon. Otherwise I postpone and just contemplate.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 14:22, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@Guy vandegrift: It's interesting you mention that. See phabricator:T184957. I haven't tested yet, but we're technically ready to begin drafting. My proposal would be to create a "Proposed draft" category to tag things with. It could be similar to Proposed deletion, but with a much shorter window, such as 7 days or 30 days. Anything still labeled Proposed draft after that time period would be moved to draft space by bot. The more challenging aspect will be content that is proposed draft but objected to by the primary or only contributor. That may require wider consensus. But, yes, we need to start a page somewhere, and we need to begin the process of establishing what the community considers to be draft vs. non-draft content. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:42, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Dave Braunschweig, Please Delete it first Draft:Sandbox/Jayprakash12345.--Jayprakash12345 (discusscontribs) 14:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
@Jayprakash12345: If we do an administrative move (move with delete vs. move with redirect), it should have the same effect, correct? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:07, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Personally I'd like to test drive Draft space before offering an opinion on how we use it. It is probably a good idea to leave redirects from Draft to main, but not the reverse. I'd also like to exclude Draft from robots.txt --mikeu talk 17:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
I agree with mikeu about the test drive. That is why I am putting my ideas into a personal userspace blog. Also, questions about redirects and robots.txt are beyond my expertise. I will instead focus on creating an efficient decision-making board. I need help from people familiar with what the WMF foundation will and will not allow. So far, all I have is sort of a "mission statement" for my blog at User:Guy vandegrift/Blog/Draft space governance-Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs)
Why don't you move your blog entry to Draft: space? :) Really, that is what it is there for and we can then "publish" it back to your blog when it is "finished." I've created Draft:Mu301 but it is currently just an empty page. --mikeu talk 18:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
I suggest we purpose Category:Draft and put those pages into something like Category:Draft essays (or a similar name like documents, etc.) to free up the Draft category for the new namespace. --mikeu talk 18:04, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
@Mu301: What do you think of moving the blog into Draft:Draftspace governance, with the understanding that it later goes to Wikiverity:Draftspace governance?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 21:04, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
I was just casually suggesting that we use any page in Draft: for our discussion as "practice" and testing. Usually, discussions like this should occur at the Wikiversity:Namespaces talk page, and then the final text gets copied to a section there. --mikeu talk 21:29, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
It would be fun to move my User:Guy vandegrift/Blog/Draft space governance into Draft:Governance. I would remove the fancy blog templates, and we could discuss governance in general. We need to find a way to expedite decision-making in a way that permits impartial appeals. I think the way is first, to make it comfortable for projects to reside outside mainspace, and second, to decentralize decision-making in the same fashion that WikiJournals facilitate independent assessments by different groups of people ... Alternatively, you could tinker with bots and such in Draft:Figuring out draft space...or maybe create both pages?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 00:28, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@Dave Braunschweig: What are the numbers of the new Draft: and Draft_talk: and do we need to update pywikibot source? --mikeu talk 21:29, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@Mu301: See . I don't think Pywikibot itself would change. It should query namespaces when it needs to. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

FITS image uploadEdit

Is it possible to add a file type to image uploads? Currently we have:

Permitted file types: tiff, tif, png, gif, jpg, jpeg, webp, xcf, pdf, mid, ogg, ogv, svg, djvu, oga, flac, opus, wav, webm, mp3.

I'd like to add w:FITS which is a widely used astronomy format. I'm not even sure if wikimedia would render the image in the file page, but it would be useful to host sample data for learning projects. --mikeu talk 04:21, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Mu301: It appears to be possible, but not under our control. See mw:Manual:$wgFileExtensions. It would require agreement and a Phabricator request. I can't find anything that suggests FITS images can be viewed directly in a browser. It looks like it either requires server configuration (an mw extension), some type of browser add-in, or a local application. Unless we can put the pieces together so that images can be rendered / visible, there may not be any advantage to hosting them with the file extension. What about linking to to provide sample files for learning projects? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 04:48, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Is this CC-BY from a OpenStax ancillary powerpoint presentation a copyvio?Edit

Dave-It would be great for the reputation of WV if this can be hosted here, and it would be convenient for me any my students. Is it a copyvio? See File:OpenStax Astronomy CH01 ImageSlideshow.pdf--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:43, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@Guy vandegrift: It's open content, CC-BY 4.0. See the last slide in the presentation. Yes, it can be hosted here. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:57, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Great. As a professional courtesy, my offer to OpenStax to delete will stand if they object (and I will stay out of any ensuing "undelete" discussions.) It's strange that they placed these materials on an "instructory-only" page.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:04, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
OpenStax gave their blessing (via Facebook) to uploading pdf versions of their Powerpoint slide presentations. This makes them freely available to students (saving instructors the bother of having to post them). Also, pdf files open with less hassle than MS Powerpoints; and this might give instructors a reason to use Wikiversity. So now my question is about categories: category:OpenStax Astronomy and category:OpenStax University Physics? Or should it be category:OpenStax/Astronomy and category:OpenStax/University Physics? Or does it matter?--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 13:10, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
@Guy vandegrift: It doesn't matter to me. I would category as Category:OpenStax and Category:Physics or Category:Astronomy and be done. The / categories don't add value from my perspective. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:58, 27 January 2018 (UTC)


We might want to add this to the abuse filter for both page content edits and username creation. This has been going on since 2014 and there's a flurry of recent activity.[2] I may also request a CU and lock on these. --mikeu talk 17:51, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Steward requests/Checkuser --mikeu talk 18:52, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
@Mu301: I'll wait for the Checkuser. Otherwise, we can't edit the page to add a block or note. I had an abuse filter on it and then triggered the filter myself. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 21:09, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Password changeEdit


I need to change my password.

How do I go about doing this?

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 14:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

@RAYLEIGH22: While you are logged in, click on Preferences at the very top of the page. In the first box (Basic information) click on the words Change password. The software will ask you to log in again, and once you’ve done that it will take you to the password reset page. Green Giant (discusscontribs) 16:27, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Cape Town Water CrisisEdit


I came across your page while investigating ways to produce potable water. As you might know, Cape Town is in the grip of water shortage crisis and I think all options should be explored not just the mainstream ones.

I was wondering if you can give some thoughts on how practical the application of solar seawater stills will be over here. Either for personal water generation or city wide.

The city management is currently constructing 2 desalinization plants but i won't be enough to divert disaster.

Any thoughts/ideas/suggestions would be appreciated. I personnally will endeavour to construct my own personal, small-scale seawater still.

Regards Cornelius van Zyl Capetonian

@MasterVerloc: Thanks for stopping by, but I don't have a page on potable water. I teach computer concepts (programming, networking, information systems) and pedagogy / online learning. From my perspective, natural resources have limits. Desalinization is an option if an area has clean energy resources available to support it. Otherwise, migration and population control / incentives may be a more effective solution. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:06, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Creating pages for learning projectEdit

Hi Dave, I am not entirely sure how students create pages that would be part of the digital media concepts learning project. Do you have to move the pages to the digital media concepts learning project after students created them or is there a way when the page is created that would move it automatically into the correct category? Thanks.

--Ireicher2 (discusscontribs) 17:15, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ireicher2: I made some changes to Digital Media Concepts to make it easier for students to create their subpages in the proper location. I also added a Digital Media Concepts/Template that you can modify that will be the starting point for their pages. Experiment with it and feel free to modify or undo whatever works better for you and your class. Let me know if you need additional assistance. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:52, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: Thanks so much. This is really helpful. -- Ireicher2 (discusscontribs) 18:52, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Guidance regarding MANETs , 24 February 2018Edit

I need help in the mobile ad-hoc networks. I want to know how it adaptation in hospitals and how it can be used in telemedicine. or you give me some ideas regarding this problem. I really thankful to you.

Regards: --Mk2193 (discusscontribs) 16:53, 24 February 2018 (UTC)Mk21

@Mk2193: I don't have any experience with MANETs. You might start with [3]. But note the authors are promoting their own software application, so consider their perspective. MANETs wouldn't have anything to do with telemedicine, per se. That's a WAN solution rather than a local mesh network problem. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:04, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Thankyou so much sir. can you recommend me anyone who knows about MANETs? --Mk2193 (discusscontribs) 17:26, 24 February 2018 (UTC)Mk21

@Mk2193: Sorry, I don't know anyone currently working in this area. You can try to contact the authors of the article as a starting point. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:41, 24 February 2018 (UTC)


Thank you for creating an account for me Sir. Ganeshprasadkp (discusscontribs) 14:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Home PageEdit

Thank you for talking to me about VBA. You made me feel welcome. Do I have like a home page or something similar? (The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davegoodo (talkcontribs) 1 March 2018)

@Davegoodo: Yes, as you've already discovered, your personal home page is your user page at User:Davegoodo. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:41, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Broken redirect to Fringe scienceEdit

Hi Dave!

Forgot about the broken redirect from Fringe sciences to Fringe science. Okay with you if I restore Fringe sciences to redirect to Draft:Fringe sciences? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 21:01, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Not without community approval. Part of the point of having Fringe Science / Fringe Sciences in the Draft: namespace is that the direction of the resource isn't consistent with common usage of the term "fringe science". It might be fine as a lecture under Physics or Radiation or Light or ..., but not as a direct resource linked from main space by that name. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:22, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


I found {{Book search}} can work in Wikibooks but cannot work in Wikiversity. Can it work in Wikiversity as well? Efex3 (discusscontribs) 02:31, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

It can work now. Thank you. Efex3 (discusscontribs) 02:45, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

@Efex3: Please use {{Course search}} rather than Book search. We don't typically have books here. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:52, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
You are right. Should I change {{BookCat}} to {{CourseCat}} accordingly as well? -- Efex3 (discusscontribs) 03:17, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
@Efex3: Yes, {{CourseCat}} is preferred, even though it currently redirects to BookCat. One of these days someone will fix it. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:16, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Computer Application TechnologyEdit

my name is Avile Bantwini from South Africa and I am doing Computer Application Technology .I would like to ask you what course should I am take if want to be an Network Administrator? Plz help me I am still confused I am doing grade 11 ,plz

Welcome Avile! I don't know about South Africa, but I can tell you in the United States a recommended sequence would be:
  1. Computer Skills - You should already be past this
  2. IC3 - You are probably taking this now
  3. IT Fundamentals - Start here. Consider IT Fundamentals certification
  4. Computer Support - Earn your A+ certification
  5. Computer Networks - Earn your Network+ certification
  6. IT Service Management - Learn service management, consider ITIL certification
  7. Windows Server Administration - Learn to manage Windows servers
  8. Linux Administration - Learn to manage Linux servers, earn your Linux+ certification
  9. Cisco CCENT - Learn to manage networking devices, earn your CCENT certification
  10. IT Security - Earn your Security+ certification
  11. Cloud fundamentals / Cloud computing - Learn cloud computing, earn your Cloud+ certification
After that you'll know what part of network administration you want to specialize in. You also shouldn't have any difficulty finding employment with eight or more world-wide recognized certifications.
Good luck!
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:34, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


Just FYI, some of the mainspace pages being put in Draft namespace by the bot are resources not lectures. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 23:04, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@Marshallsumter: The pages that have been moved are part of Wikiversity:Requests for Deletion#Main Page "Lectures". They go in Draft space, per community consensus, unless they find a new home as subpages. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:28, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
I've noticed there are pages that may appear as resource/lecture. Is something along these lines satisfactory? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 00:43, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
@Marshallsumter: I encourage you to review WV:RFD and consider the concerns that were raised regarding these pages. As a blanket statement, my perspective would be no, a combined resource and lecture doesn't address the concerns described. I personally am okay with shorter overview resource landing pages and separate detail / lecture on subpages, consistent with Wikipedia:Progressive disclosure. But it should be noted that not everyone was supportive of that approach. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 03:30, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Chinese line wrappingEdit

I found that the line wrapping of the Chinese versions cannot be split by word like English. Could you help to fix this problem? Efex3 (discusscontribs) 22:22, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

@Efex3: Can you provide (link to) an example of where you see the problem? -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 22:32, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Sometimes the lines are not wrapped after a space, such as this example. Efex3 (discusscontribs) 22:55, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
@Efex3: What platform and browser are you using? I'm on a Mac using Chrome and lines are wrapping fine at all screen widths in both Desktop and Mobile views. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 23:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
I am using Android Chrome. English lines have no problem, but only Chinese lines have problem sometimes. Efex3 (discusscontribs) 23:45, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
@Efex3: I don't have an Android device available, but I tried a Chromebook and it was fine. I also checked Safari, the least compatible browser I have available, and it was also fine. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 23:54, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
This problem happened is because of the Chinese lines are split base on Chinese character but not word.Efex3 (discusscontribs) 00:12, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

@Efex3: I'm sorry, but I can't read Chinese. I need you to be very specific. Describe by example exactly what should break and what should not break so I can reproduce the problem. There may or may not be a solution, but without specifics, there is nothing I can do to assist you. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:17, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Could you let the software of Wikiversity breaks the Chinese lines only after a space like English? Efex3 (discusscontribs) 00:51, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
@Efex3: Without a specific example to test, I am unable to assist you. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:59, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Such as this example. Efex3 (discusscontribs) 01:14, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
@Efex3: See {{nowrap}}. I'm not aware of any setting that controls this behavior. You're welcome to search through mw:Manual. If you find a setting that can be configured, I can investigate further. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:37, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts, but the difficulty for me is I don't know programming. Efex3 (discusscontribs) 02:29, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
The wrapping of your revision is OK. Could you let the software of Wikiversity to do this automatically? Efex3 (discusscontribs) 12:02, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Chinese line wrapping is fine now. Thank you very much. Efex3 (discusscontribs) 14:21, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
However, it doesn't work for mobile views. Maybe, you have configured for desktop but not yet for mobile views. Efex3 (discusscontribs) 13:02, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

@Efex3: I'm just a volunteer here, like you. I don't have anything configured one way or the other, and your continued editing of this page to force the issue is unwelcome. If you can find a setting that needs to be adjusted, please let me know. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:24, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Preventive Health ScienceEdit

The English version of "Preventive Health Science" was translated from the Spanish version and we need to have both , now the Spanish version disappeared, how can we get it back?

Thank you very much --IMHAR 13:18, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@Saltrabook: This is the English Wikiversity. There are some resources available in other languages, but those are only for the purpose of teaching those languages. If you want to maintain translated versions of the same content, please see Hilbert Book Model Project for how to correctly add translated subpages in other languages using {{Translations}}. Titles are in English, with only the language code subpage indicating the translation. Content that does not follow this approach is deleted. I will send a wiki email with the recently deleted content. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:59, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello Dave, I got it Thank you verymuch, We will use the Spanish Wikiversity for the Spanish version --IMHAR 20:13, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Illegal Commerical Use of Wikiversity ContentEdit

Content from Wikiversity (stating that the origine Wikipedia) was used in a commerical context.

A reference URL to the origine of content is missing. PopFlock seems to download Wikiversity article in large scale with bots and places advertisments with the copied content. Is is not a single page that was copied - all linked pages are downloaded as well and linked within PopFlock with Ads. I am not a lawyer but using Wikiversity content to earn money with it by placing advertisments with the Wikiversity content seems to be illegal to me. Maybe you know the procedures to deal with it. I assume all income generated with the Wikiversity content by PopFlock should be donated to the Wikifoundation. Do not know if actions are necessary in this case. Regards, --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 15:59, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bert Niehaus: Please contact meta:Legal to report this. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:09, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Dave, will do that. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 03:48, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
No response so far from legal team so I could not clarify that so far. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 14:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Two thoughts. One, consider contacting them by email rather than using a talk page. Two, just because you don't see a response doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. All you can do is report the issue and leave it up to them to decide how they want to handle it. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:58, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Dave, I thought I may not have followed a specific procedure. There is no need for pushing them. The page does not violate human rights or privacy, so there is no need for urgent response. They know better what is necessary or not. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 15:06, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Confidential submission for WikiJournalsEdit

Hi! Do you know if there are any areas of a WikiMedia wiki that are viewable only to specific members? I'm asking because we're discussing confidential submissions to WikiJournals, and whether it would be possible to handle the review process in private for a submission until it is accepted for publication. I know that private wiki servers like Miraheze do it, but I haven't heard of any WikiMedia projects allowing it. Any knowledge of such a feature? T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 23:30, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@Evolution and evolvability: I don't think it exists. You could ask at Meta. Perhaps a steward would know of something. I personally have used PBWorks and Wikispaces, although I see Wikispaces is about to close. Also, neither of those is directly wikitext compatible. There would be some translation required. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 00:19, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! I suspected as much, but I'll check over at Meta in case. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)talk 01:19, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
I also need private spaces for students to write. Miraheze is a step in the right direction, but has two flaws: First, all Miraheze administrators can see your private wiki. Second, they have trouble if too many people try to access a single wiki simultaneously. The latter could be fixed if they had more support (they are strictly non-profit donation only). But the problem with all admins having access is likely structural. Miraheze is a low budget operation, which suggests that it would not be too expensive for WikiJournal to purchase time on a server and maybe ask the WMF to help out with software maintenance. Miraheze rents their server, and I don't think they pay much for it. When I created my 100 wikis for students to use I offered to pay them $200 out of a grant. It took months for the administrator to respond ...because the $200 figure was so large it tripped the junk email trigger.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 12:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you for your great courses and your support. If any improvement can be made in my modifications just let me know. Tech201805 (discusscontribs) 07:34, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

How do I get permission to post a photo of myself documentedEdit

The WJS wants board members to post images and bios. I found this image on I am pretty sure my University will grant permission. But what is the paperwork? Can I do this quicker on Wikiversity (more relaxed licensing policy?)--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:21, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

@Guy vandegrift: The easiest solution would be to post a picture you own the copyright to, perhaps as a work for hire. Pay someone a penny to take your picture and then upload as usual, indicating the source and that you own the copyright. If you want to use the college's picture, you would need to get their permission and then document it through meta:OTRS. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:30, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I just cropped a photo from Commons that student took a photo of me doing the solar eclipse lab.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 19:28, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


I find I often learn best by looking at examples. If you could just point me to a place where some of your stuff resides, I would start by just reading some code. The thing I want to do seems really simple.

So, are you the __dave on #wikimedia-tech IRC today? (Don't have to respond to that part, if it would be too revealing). Jmcgnh (discusscontribs) 18:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh: Yes, I was on IRC today. We'll see what I have time for. Lots of things I want to do and too many things I have to do that keep getting in the way.
See MediaWiki API/Pywikibot. I just added the link to PAWS and a Hello Pywikibot example that I tested and works using PAWS. The advantage of using PAWS is that you don't have to set up your own Python and Pywikibot installation in order to start testing. I personally don't use PAWS often, but it has mostly worked when I do. I usually use a Cloud9 workspace I have set up for bot coding instead. I have a good bit of other bot code not published, mostly one-off things I've done to clean up Special:LintErrors. If you run into any issues or have any "How would I ..." questions, let me know.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:49, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
There must be something about PAWS I don't understand. Or Jupyter. Every time I try to get started on the site, I just end up getting a message: "500 : Internal Server Error Failed to start your server. Please contact admin." Repeatedly. With different browsers and different computers. And I can't even get far enough to figure out how to implement "contact admin".
I very much like the idea of having these containerized, pre-packaged developer environments. Presumably, once you get into it, are no more issues about how my environment has gotten out of date or I didn't follow some installation or configuration directive properly. Jmcgnh (discusscontribs) 07:16, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
@Jmcgnh: Bummer. I don't have a way to start from scratch on PAWS, so I'm not sure how to help. Someone in the IRC chat noted that the PAWS developer is no longer available. Your next option is to install Pywikibot. You need a current version of Python3. Don't use Python2. Then install Pywikibot. If you have problems with that, let me know. There are easy ways to get a shared cloud platform working. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:53, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
I'll try that. Not sure when, at the moment. Thanks. Jmcgnh (discusscontribs) 16:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Turns out the PAWS problem needed a fix, but is now resolved. I was able to get it started and did the introductory exercises on the test wiki. I've been enhancing my PWB skills by looking at Legobot. Cheers. Jmcgnh (discusscontribs) 07:38, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Glad you found something that works and a project you can learn from. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:06, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Citation Database for WikiversityEdit

Is there a way to generate or populate a joint citation database, so that new citations can be inserted in wikiversity citation database and the citation will be done by an unique primary key for reference, maybe it could be inter-wiki-database use e.g. in wikipedia, wikiversity, wikinews, .... wikicite

discussed already in Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reference database

From the perspective on Information Systems I think it makes sense to centralize and maintain references in database. Do you think it makes sense to pick up this guideline for Wikiversity alone, if no concensus is there for all products "wikipedia, wikiversity, wikinews, ...." --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 13:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

You might check and see if this is something that Wikidata can or already does support. As to whether or not it is desirable, it depends on the user interface. Something simple and easy to use that isn't just Wikipedia:Garbage in, garbage out could add value. But I"m not sure how much value, and I'm not sure it's worth the effort to build. Unless it's something built into the MediaWiki software, I suspect there wouldn't be much actual use of the concept. If building this is something you want to do, check out the Wikiversity:Newsletters/Tech News for how to contact the developers and ask for assistance. I think it would need to be some type of MediaWiki extension. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:18, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Would this be an appropriate use of Draft space?Edit

In the future, I would like to move Physics equations to draft space, since I will no longer maintain it. I would do this only after I complete the newer version that is compatible with OpenStax Physics. There are 4 volumes (3 form a set for scientists and engineers) and 1 is intended for people in the bological sciences. Also, it might help to move some my efforts in OpenStax because I now realize that the division into 4 volumes is not optimal, especially for the Calculus version. The three volumes are intended for a two semester course, and each volume is split into 2 units. So I should be splitting the equation sheet into 6 units: Mechanics, Waves/Acoustics, Thermodynamics, Electromagnetism, Optics, and Modern Physics. This will make the project much more manageable for everybody.

Would these transfers into Draft space be appropriate (assuming I move them only after a replacement has been completed)? --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:53, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

@Guy vandegrift: Just to clarify, there will be a new version of the project, and the question is what to do with the old version. If so, I think moving it to draft space makes sense. If someone wants it, they can adopt it. If not, at some point we'll clean up abandoned draft projects and recycle the bits. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response. Yes it will be a new version of the same project. I won't be able to do the replacement for several months, and when I do, the front page will link back to the drafts. I think this is exactly what draft space is for. If nobody uses it for a period of time, we should certainly delete the draft. But it might be nice to have while I finish the details of the new project. I am cleaning up Quizbank in the same way.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 19:44, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Using Wiki pages for Students of Nursing to advance specific subjects thru lit searching/research etcEdit

Hi, I want to use Wikiversity as a platform with my students so that they can investigate specific areas of student nurisng and the subject of mental health nursing and then use wiki as a repository for their endeavours. I would mantain oversight of this and it would meet good standards of academic rigour. Can yo uadvise if this has been done before and or if there is any advice you can offer. Thanks (The preceding unsigned comment was added by Markymarkalison (talkcontribs) 24 June 2018‎)

@Markymarkalison: Yes, others have used Wikiversity as a place for public student work. That work can take a variety of forms. See Collaborative Learning/Examples for different approaches that have been taken in the past. La Trobe University has used Wikiversity for health sciences. See Category:La Trobe Health Sciences. Evidence based assessment addresses a variety of mental health issues. There are likely other projects that overlap as well.
My advice would be to create a new project, pick a name for it, define on that page (generally) what students are expected to do, and set up an easy way for them to create subpages of that learning project. Digital Media Concepts provides an example of how to include the Create Subpage tool. Be willing to adapt as you go. Your students will likely surprise you in that public content has a way of increasing quality far beyond what they typically create in private work. They will also struggle initially with the platform. Build in time for them to practice editing before expecting useful content. Specify the rules of engagement. Will they work as teams? Will they peer edit? I personally prefer wiki work as teamwork rather than individual work, but there are excellent examples of individual contributions. Will you guide students publicly, editing the pages as well, or will you guide them from the classroom or privately through your grading practices? Expect to change your mind on approach several times as you see how it goes.
Finally, welcome to the practice of open pedagogy! You may be interested in Draft:Open Pedagogy. It's just an outline for now, but with useful resources at the bottom. I have proposed this as a graduate-level professional development course at my institution. The plan is for the students (my peers) to develop the content as we learn about it. I'm still waiting for approval. I may develop it anyway, but I have other projects going right now. Ask any questions you have as you find them.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:49, 25 June 2018 (UTC)


I'm baffled that you think removing a few external links solved the problem here. The whole "article" is one advertorial. I'm more used to enWP, where an "article" like this would be nuked in a breeze. Already the first sentence indicates that they are in breach of trying to use this site as a webhost. But I see that you're no less than a bureaucrat here, so I guess that Wikiversity doesn't care as much about POV-pushing/promotionalism as enWP does... So this message is just me venting. Happy editing! --Randykitty (discusscontribs) 14:28, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

@Randykitty: The JCCAP FDF editors have made a significant effort to use Wikiversity according to its mission. See Special:PrefixIndex/JCCAP_FDF/. You are welcome to work with the editors to remove any additional content that you feel is solicitation vs. education. You are also welcome to begin an RFD discussion if you prefer. But, as you have recognized. Wikiversity is not Wikipedia. Please see What is Wikiversity? and What Wikiversity is not. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:35, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
I came to that article because somebody linked to it from the WP article on the journal. The only other times I got here was through small Wiki patrol, I think. And, unfortunately, I must say that my experience here makes me think that I should just stick to WP, this is too different for my taste... Cheers! --Randykitty (discusscontribs) 14:44, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Learn and Participate pages for the Christianity and Philosophy portalsEdit

Hi Dave, I noticed you removed the unfinished template from the top of the Portal:Christianity and Portal:Philosophy portals, without it I'm not sure how to create Learn and Participate tabs for those two portals. Are you able to either restore the template or the create those two tabs for those two portals please? Thanks. --Luke Isham (discusscontribs) 22:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Lukeisham: View history. Click on your last edit. The links will be there. Restore content as needed. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:25, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Atlantis location hypothesisEdit


Can a additional key word phrases be placed on the atlantis location hypothesis

Atlantis science Atlantis geology Atlantis location geology Atlantis location science Plato's Atlantis geography Plato'a geography lesson

Just curious. When my PhD dissertation was put on line there was a way to do this.

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 14:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@RAYLEIGH22: You can add any text you want to the page itself. I am not aware of any Mediawiki key word phrase indicators. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:41, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Dave. My wife is doing a lot better. She has apparently stabilized. It seems to be histoplasmosis and her chest C.T. has not changed since November of 2017. I was ill myself, asthma brought on by a viral upper respiratory infection. So now I am well and I am planning on spending more time on the Atlantis Location Hypothesis.

I have noticed when you Google "Atlantis Location" you get Wikipedia sites only. I understand that search results are regulated by hits and Internet traffic. I guess that there is not much that can be done. They have done a lot of work on the Wikipedia side. There is lots of extraneous information that I would not regard as scientific but instead archaeological, classical and opinion-based.

I think that there has been a lot of clean-up work done on the Atlantis Location Hypothesis on Wikiversity and I am grateful and thankful for all of the hard work. I believe that there is some biological information and some meteorological information that might be helpful. That is likely to be new information that I may add if I can make it work.

Thanks for everything.

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 02:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


Dear Dave, In order my page not to be deleted, can you suggest what I should do? I thought my pages are all in my Sandbox (personal) Thank's & regards, Hantarto

@Hantartow: I appreciate your enthusiasm, but no, the 156 pages you created were not in your Sandbox and are not consistent with Wikiversity:Naming conventions. You need to slow down and learn more about Wikiversity practices before creating such a large, empty structure. I'll clean up what I can, but you'll need to recreate the rest correctly over time. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:03, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

My apology Dave, Tomorrow, I'll move everything in my Sandbox. Thank's & regards, Hantarto

@Hantartow: Moving the pages won't help, because they'll still leave live redirects to your sandbox that will have to be deleted. Where the pages are isn't as much of an issue as the naming convention and approach. Please just create one subpage lesson / chapter at a time and grow the project that way. 24 empty pages (or 156) doesn't help anyone learn anything. A single completed lesson would be much more valuable. Then build on your success. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:46, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

My multiple creation of LintErrorsEdit

I noticed that I made a LintError when I attempted to remove the superscript from X<sup>2</sup> but instead left on part of the tag to create X<sup>. I presume you used a bot to fix them. I just wanted to let you know that I am working on a way to better manage how Quizbank resources will be organized. In one day I had three realizations:

  1. I can highlight a selection of text and use my browser to print a pdf version of only that selection. This allows me to place several variations of a quiz on Wikiversity page. In the future, all the Lint-errors will be localized on as little as two pages.
  2. The best way to compensate for the fact that all Quizbank quizzes are public, I will use the aforementioned convenience of making quizzes to have a daily quiz. This will allow me to put a large amount of quizzes on just two WV pages.
  3. Budget problems have caused us to attempt to reduce how much paper we use at Wright State. This prompted me to realize that I can put just two questions on the overhead projector. In principle, students could use cell phones to answer that question. But I will instead give them small strips of paper to answer one question, since the cell phones can also be used to look up the answer to the question.

I am field testing the new protocols at this page:♦. Each lorem ipsum represents a variation of one classroom-quiz (i.e. where 2 or 3 questions were randomly selected from a larger quiz.). And, if you click the header for each quiz, it is a link to the answer key to that quiz on a subpage: For example, ♦/k123T1#1.0 for the answer key to quiz#1.0, where k123... is a subpage to the page that hosts the quiz. It will probably take me a week to reconfigure the Python code to do all this. But, this might be the modification that might cause others to use this format.

Either way, this will at least reduce the number of pages that I need to create.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 19:27, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Guy vandegrift: Under Preferences / Gadgets there is a LintHint gadget you can enable to check for lint errors on any page. Enable that whenever you have questions, and then turn it off again when you're done. Right now, the page you linked to above is clean.
Regarding quizzes, I've always taken the large pool approach. I try to have 40 to 50 questions per chapter, and 600 or so questions per course. Anyone who wants to memorize all of them is welcome to do so. Experience has shown that only A students will bother. The rest just take their chances. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 23:43, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Atlantis location hypothesisEdit

Dave, Can you give me your opinion of these maps and then share them with marshallsumter and maybe he can tell us what he thinks about them.

Thanks, ````(The preceding unsigned comment was added by RAYLEIGH22 (talkcontribs) 11 August 2018‎)

@RAYLEIGH22: I have no expertise or interest in this subject and no opinion regarding these maps. Please restrict your questions in this space to Wikiversity questions rather than Atlantis content questions. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:53, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


I just uploaded a research paper. I have not used it yet, I just did the upload. Can you check it out and make sure I did everything I was supposed to do BEFORE I use it in the Atlantis Location Hypotheses?


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Pleistocene submerged landscapes and Palaeolithic archaeology in the tectonically active Aegean region D. SAKELLARIOU1* & N. GALANIDOU2 1Institute of Oceanography, Hellenic Centre for Marine Research, 19013 Anavyssos, Greece 2Department of History and Archaeology, University of Crete, 74100 Rethymno,

Abstract: In this paper we review the main, long- and short-term geological and geotectonic processes that have controlled the development of Pleistocene landscapes in the Aegean region above and below the fluctuating sea level. We discuss the potential for further research on reconstruction of submerged landscapes of the continental shelf and beyond with the aim of addressing questions concerning Palaeolithic settlement. The geological, tectonic, morphological and hydrogeological background provides information for the assessment of the natural resources available to hominins. Along with the palaeogeographical evolution of the shallow coastal and shelf areas, they are examined in parallel with the terrestrial archaeological record in order to open windows to future work in a region that has remained marginal to human origins research. On the basis of the multi-variable tectonic evolution and geomorphological configuration of the coastal and shelf areas, we propose to divide the Aegean region into nine geographical units, each with its own geotectonic and morphological history and traits. These units can be further grouped to provide larger neighbouring and culturally meaningful regions, suitable for archaeological analysis, or subdivided to provide smaller target areas in which to work.

RAYLEIGH22 (discusscontribs) 14:33, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

@RAYLEIGH22: Content at is copyrighted. It cannot be hosted here. You may refer to the article as you would any other copyrighted source, subject to Fair Use guidelines. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:38, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I left a lot of messy redirects during my reorganizationEdit

I performed a much needed reorganization OpenStax Physics pages and probably left a lot of wild redirects. Two questions:

  1. Should I let the bots clean it up before I try to straighten things out?
  2. When I do tidy things up, are there any tools besides the following that I should know about?
A Special:BrokenRedirects
B Special:DoubleRedirects
C Special:PrefixIndex

I will mostly use the PrefixIndex to find pages I don't want. I noticed that I did trigger Special:UnconnectedPages but have no idea what that means.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 03:25, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

@Guy vandegrift: Broken redirects and double redirects are now cleaned up. I think unconnected pages have no corresponding Wikidata item. I don't know of any other built-in tools that would help. There are bot cleanup options if I know what to tell it to look for. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 13:29, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I usually just wait for the bots and then look into the subpages. Thanks.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 13:58, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Updating my grandfather's biography. You actually have him listed a couple of times.Edit

But I keep getting blocked because I'm a new user. How long do I have to wait?

Also, how do I combine the various references to "Pierce Wetter", and "Pierce Telfair" Wetter into one page?

(The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pwetter (talkcontribs) 17 August 2018‎)

@Pwetter: Unfortunately, there was an error in the abuse filter introduced yesterday that prevented legitimate edits. The filter has been corrected. Please try again.
Regarding multiple pages and references, these were separate student assignments through UNC Chapel Hill. They cannot be combined into a single reference without impacting each student's work. Instead, I recommend adding a "See Also" section to each page with links to the other pages.
Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:30, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

School of Extraterrestrial StudiesEdit

I deliberately started this as a school and plan on making it such. If you can have a African-Studies school, then you should have an ET Studies School, Women's studies, etc. I'd like things back as they were and given the chance to make this an entire school of study. But it doesn't matter, as you will soon see the merit. And I intended such a school as an experiment, as much of the material will be fictional or hypothetical and original research by design. But if I'm in the wrong place or must make a different type of project, I will comply. I thank you for your help and involvement.Spotted Lady (discusscontribs) 17:29, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Purplonian belongs to Extraterrestrial Studies (should be a lowercase S, but was created with uppercase and won't work otherwise), which was created to be a top level school which as demoted to a "portal" and it should be clear on the top level page that it links here. If I'm doing something wrong, I'd hope someone with some power and expertise can help fix things. It won't let me put a talk page on Purplonian to clarify the project, so I'm adding here.Spotted Lady (discusscontribs) 17:43, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

@Spotted Lady: I appreciate your vision and enthusiasm, but we don't have schools with no content and only one participant. At best, this would be a portal. Even a portal is a bit of a stretch, as portals are intended to communicate with like-minded content-developers, and at present we don't have any. I encourage you to develop your content and vision first and see if it gathers an audience with more participants and go from there.
To facilitate this effort, I have created a learning project for Extraterrestrial fiction and updated links accordingly. According to Wikipedia, extraterrestrial fiction is distinct from extraterrestrial study in general. Regarding casing, Wikiversity:Naming conventions support both Title Case and Sentence case.
Let me know if you have any questions or need additional assistance. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 01:56, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, I appreciate what you've done so far. And yes, I appreciate the ET Fiction project since I started with 2 main ones, fiction and theoretical, though I am sure other things related to "alien tech," including "alien propulsion," astronomy and logistics in regards to "aliens," etc. I'm only using "aliens" here due to brevity, but I don't like using the term since it can be seen as a slur, and is not always accurate, as that is a relative term, not like a species name which is absolute. My Purplonians, for instance, would not be aliens on Purplonia, but humans would be. Likely, the minority groups of Purplonia would not be "aliens" either, not to the whole planet, since they were born on the planet after the invasion. So many think "aliens" always mean ETs, but the term just means anyone who doesn't live wherever they visit. Oh, I was originally going for "Porphyrous Alien Studies," which was overly limited. It's like the joke about the doctor who wanted to be a nose specialist rather than an ENT specialist, and his colleague asked which nostril (right or left) he proposed to specialize in. So I was being careful to avoid that sort of thing here.Spotted Lady (discusscontribs) 03:01, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


Thanks - for fixing the page names -- I will use that method from here on out. I plan to import another course on 3D printing at the end of this semester along with all of the source: resources, videos, lectures, etc. -- Thanks --15:55, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

@J.M.Pearce: You're welcome! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:57, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Broken templatesEdit

Inversions in sequences after your "correction"

Hi Dave, please don't break templates, just because some linter complained about them. There is absolutely no reason to assume that a tag opened in a template must also be closed in that template. Anyway, I think you should take a look what your changes actually do on the pages where a template is used. Not fixing what is not broken would be an even safer approach. The consequences of your changes were not exactly subtle, as you can see in the image on the right. (The rows on top are ok again, because I had already reverted the first template.) Watchduck (quack) 20:21, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

@Watchduck: I'm sorry if the corrections I made to these templates was not effective. However, simply reverting the changes is not sufficient. Tags don't need to be closed in the same template, but they must be properly tagged for inclusion and properly applied. Please see mw:Transclusion#Partial_transclusion for how to properly include, noinclude, and include only, and then make appropriate corrections to these templates. If you choose not to make corrections, I will do my best to try again, meaning more likely grief for both of us. It's easier if you just do it right yourself. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:43, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't get it. What is wrong with Template:Row4,0start in it's current state? It directly contains what I want to include, and the category for the template is between noinclude tags. (That's also what I see in Template:Math, for example.) My templates work, and to me that seems like a sufficient reason not to fix them. Watchduck (quack) 22:58, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@Watchduck: Template:Row4,0start was missing a closing paragraph tag that should be inside the noinclude tags. This has now been corrected. You can use the MediaWiki:Gadget-LintHint to find and validate similar errors. Correcting these issues yourself will prevent others from making unintended mistakes. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:22, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
So if I understand you correctly, I should also add <noinclude><p></noinclude> at the beginning of Template:Row4,0end, so the linter will not complain about a missing start tag. Well ... doing useless things to keep dumb machines from complaining sounds great. ;) Watchduck (quack) 10:30, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

African Citizens - IT E-Learning EnvironmentEdit

Mr braunshweig i dont know much about computer systems but i just want to know how are you helping young minds like us to develop neccesary skills in the i.t industry i would really want to help african citizens furthermore or perhaps the whole world in to coming to terms of developing new technological ways of making communication much easier and effective,I believe language communication is somehow a barrier to masses around the world not understanding or allowing each other know one other helping each other. (The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jespa.yey (talkcontribs) 4 October 2018)

Excuse me for commenting on Daves talk page: I think it fits perfectly in the concept of Wikiversity. If you want to translate existing learning modules into a local language, which is comprehensive to wider audience would be a tremendeously good working objective. See Water.
It has translation into the german language. Look into the source code how different articles can be linked between different languages. Adapt the context to local an regional case studies so that the capacity building material is most comprehensive for the learners in the context you have in mind. Create a start page for the learning resource and look want is available in the english Wikiversity e.g. in the learning resources Dave has created. Good to have you with us. --Bert Niehaus (discusscontribs) 16:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

@Jespa.yey: It depends on what you are looking for. See User:Dave Braunschweig for a list of courses I and/or my students have developed to help anyone learn IT concepts and skills. From my perspective, learning IT skills is no longer a content problem. There's an amazing amount of free content available from many sources, and free web sites which allow practicing those skills. If anything, there are language and culture boundaries which must be addressed.

Consider working with classmates. Ask your teachers if they would consider class or team projects to help translate and/or assimilate available content. Encourage them to learn more about Open educational practices, where students help develop content for everyone to share. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 17:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

The only thing standing in harms way is that the translations are only based outside of the african continent for e.g European language at most and on the outter parts of the world..Dew to colonialism yes most of the african countries do speak European languages but we still refer them as foreign languages are we really tackling the matters in a root course manner or we bottling african languages and saying they are not ideal in connecting the world in a widescale.(The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jespa.yey (talkcontribs) 5 October 2018)


Please I want full lecture on E-mail so kindly help me. Thanks Visity448 (discusscontribs) 10:11, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

@Visity448: See Email. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 12:51, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Temporary file undeletionEdit

The uploader has contacted OTRS regarding these files. I'm not familiar with procedure over here at Wikiversity, but are you able to temporarily undelete the files so I can review the matter? TheDragonFire (discusscontribs) 07:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

@TheDragonFire: Yes, I am able to temporarily undelete the files so you can review the matter. However, I would prefer not to at this time because:
  1. The uploader was warned three times that files were missing license information ([4], [5], [6])
  2. The uploader made no attempt to provide the missing information, or enquire regarding the problem or possible solutions, or any other action that would take responsibility for the uploads.
  3. The uploader was given months to resolve the situation rather than just the required 7 days.
  4. The uploader has made no attempt to follow local policy in requesting an undelete themselves.
Please encourage the uploader to follow local policy by including license information in Special:Upload, contact Wikiversity:Staff or use the Wikiversity:Colloquium for questions, and use Wikiversity:RFD for undelete requests.
Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:13, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Resources on the Wisdom Research PageEdit

Dave, Thanks for all you do. You are tireless in advancing the Wikiverisy project. I notice and appreciate that you have a sharp eye for spam, vandalize, and valueless self-promotion.

I have collaborated (personally, outside of Wikimedia) with Thomas Lombardo for nearly a decade on various topics of Wisdom and Future studies. He is a serious researcher who is dedicated to advancing our understanding of these topics. Based on discussions over the past several months I proposed a portion of our work, along with others, migrate toward the Wisdom and the Future Research center which you see emerging. Tom is new to Wikiversity; yesterday was his fist attempt at editing. I am working with him on this. He seems to have created two User ID's, and I mentioned this to him. His addition of a link to the "Resources" section is sincere and represents a valuable addition to the collection. I recognize it is his own site, and I am aware of policies against self-promotion.

Based on this understanding, I hope you will allow his edit to remain.

Thanks! --Lbeaumont (discusscontribs) 13:14, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

@Lbeaumont: Dr. Lombardo's contributions here are welcome. But the Center for Future Consciousness page linked to is primarily focused on selling books and videos rather than sharing information about future consciousness. Since Dr. Lombardo owns the copyright for any content on that page, I recommend copying the relevant learning to a new page here at Wikiversity that avoids the promotional aspects of the link. He is certainly welcome to list relevant background on his user page. In fact, since he will potentially profit from his involvement here, he is actually required to disclose his connection to the Center for Future Consciousness. Anyone wanting more information about his publications will be able to search for the center's website to learn more. Thanks! -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:49, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Why not <center>...</center>?Edit

@Dave Braunschweig: Can you help me understand why you removed <center>...</center> from the caption under the picture of Daniel Kahneman?

Your official reason was, "(Special:LintErrors/obsolete-tag)".

If you think the name should not be centered under the photo, that's fine. I'd just like to understand. I don't understand either "LintErrors" nor "obsolete-tag". The page you linked to did not list "center" as an obsolete HTML tag, and it seemed to work. It may have been inappropriate, but that's another question.

Thanks for taking the time to try to correct this issue -- and help me understand. DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 06:38, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

@DavidMCEddy: The <center> tag is no longer supported in HTML5. That's why using it appears as a lint error. See for details. Special:LintErrors/obsolete-tag lists pages that contain obsolete tags. If you were to add the center tag to the original page, it would (eventually) appear on the lint error report again. Center does not currently appear on the page because all of the center errors have been cleaned up. If you want to center text, you need to use CSS formatting and the text-align: center; style. You could try {{center}} as an alternative. Centering often causes other lint errors (mis-nested tag issues, for example), but it may work in this instance. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 20:18, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: Thanks for your reply. I don't feel strongly about the need for centering there, and it sounds like I'm asking for trouble if I try to get it: I could get something that looks fine to me but really goofy on certain platforms with certain browsers with the width adjusted in something other than the default. DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 21:18, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Making newsEdit

Dave - Thank you.

I have been trying to launch our new world order for a very long time.

[Solicitation removed]

Can you help me tell my story?

Mindy --Mindology18 (discusscontribs) 15:41, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mindology18: You need to stop all efforts to promote your website on Wikiversity or you will be blocked from editing. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:01, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Can you explain why? --Mindology18 (discusscontribs) 16:43, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

w:Wikipedia:Conflict of interest applies (or should apply) to all Wikimedia projects, I think, not just Wikipedia. Does this make sense to you? DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 17:39, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
@Mindology18: In addition to conflict of interest issues, there are wmf:Terms of Use issues and basic Wikiversity:Mission issues. We promote learning, rather than people or websites. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 19:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Well said. DavidMCEddy (discusscontribs) 21:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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