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Will this cause problems with some browsers?Edit

I am only vaguely aware of how different browsers interpret Wikitext. But the box to the right seems like a quick and simple way to conveniently display all the resources on Wikipedia/Wikiversity/Wikibooks. Will there be any "bugs"?

In the case of this particular topic "Optics", there may be so many resources that we need an entire page for the links. But in most cases, a half-dozen links are all we need. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 15:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Browsers don't interpret Wikitext. Only the wiki server does that. It generates dynamic HTML that must be interpreted by different browsers. There's less risk of a problem with the dynamic HTML than there is with a user having a NoScript add-in so that dynamic HTML is disabled on their browser. What if, instead of having a collapsed list (that I suspect most users won't expand), you have a list of items below the image, something like on the right. A template could be developed to generate the content so that users don't have to manage the HTML details. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 15:33, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

In the future I will refrain from using the collapsible list. I did it mostly for fun. Regarding the template, I think we need one. I believe that the wiki-sisters will grow, and if nothing is done clutter of signs will look those billboards you see when driving along highways. Also, the logo will need to be changed to either a generic logo for all sisters, or to a switch that turns the individual ones on and off. If you make a switch, make the simplest option a generic image. And, it would be nice to have simple options for the oft-used combinations (e.g. Wikibooks-Wikipedia-Wikiversity). With the image method I am using, there is no rush to get this done.

Also, a nice convention would be to place this either at the top, alongside the contents, or at the bottom near external links. I want no part in the arguments that will ensue as Wikipedia editors argue which option is more appropriate for a given article. As I said, there is no rush to get this done.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:10, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

P.S. This system is a reason to sometimes keep the convention of using the letter (e.g. v or c) instead of the keyword (Wikiversity or Commons) in the address of the wikilink. In prose, I do much prefer the keyword, e.g. Wikipedia:Optics is better than w:Optics.

Create a link for a special section of a pageEdit

Hello , i checked the wikipedia Tutorial but still i can't do it correctly


أ --Ruaa Elias (discusscontribs) 20:45, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

When linking to Wikipedia from Wikiversity, there's an extra Wikipedia: in front. The link would be Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Tutorial/Wikipedia links#Categories. But I don't think you were trying to link to Wikipedia. The other part of linking to a section heading is that there must be a matching section heading. For example, to link to this section here, you can use either Wikiversity:Colloquium#Create a link for a special section of a page or just #Create a link for a special section of a page if it's on the same page. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 21:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Possibility of a "Sister projects" report in the Wikipedia SignpostEdit

Hello, all I'm a volunteer at the Wikipedia Signpost, the Wikimedia movement's biggest internal newspaper. Almost all of our coverage focuses on Wikipedia, with occasional coverage of Commons, the Meta-Wiki, MediaWiki, Wikidata, the Wikimedia Labs; we have little to nothing to say about Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikispecies, Wikinews, Wikiversity, or Wikivoyage. I'm interested in writing a special long-form "sister projects" report to try and address this shortfall. Is there anyone experienced in the Wikiversity project with whom I can speak with, perhaps over Skype, about the mission, organization, history, successes, troubles, and foibles of being a contributor to this project? If so, please drop me a line at my English Wikipedia talk page. Thanks! ResMar 21:04, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

From what I see, 2 people contacted you already. w:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-05-09/Wikiversity interview might also be helpful, ----Erkan Yilmaz 11:14, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Is this a "fair use" of an image?Edit

Two questions: One: Is it permissible to add this diagram] to the Wikiversity collection of image files? Two: Is it worth the bother? I ask because it would be no trouble to simply link to the image. The only advantage to showing the actual image in a Wikiversity resource is cosmetic.

According to , considerations for "fair" use include:

  1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
  2. The nature of the copyrighted work
  3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
  4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work

It seems to me that 1 and 4 are clearly satisfied. We endorse the lab, except for portions of the lab manual that we found confusing. Pasco should be delighed that we are using their image. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 15:57, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

It depends on how you use the image. Can it simply be added as a file? No. That's not fair use. But if you create a resource about how to use the Pasco device and then add an image of it to support the article, yes, that would be fair use. It wouldn't diminish the value of the work, because they aren't selling the image, they're selling the product. When you add the file, include a Fair Use tag and the source, and indicate that it is being used for an article about the product.
Is it worth it? It certainly could be, if the image would enhance the description you intend to provide. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 16:51, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Stewards confirmation rulesEdit

Hello, I made a proposal on Meta to change the rules for the steward confirmations. Currently consensus to remove is required for a steward to lose his status, however I think it's fairer to the community if every steward needed the consensus to keep. As this is an issue that affects all WMF wikis, I'm sending this notification to let people know & be able to participate. Best regards, --MF-W 16:12, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #2—2015Edit

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Projectmanagement toolingEdit

One of my customers is in the selection process of a project management tool. On the following page I would like to discuss some solutions. Who has knowledge about project management tools? Timboliu (discusscontribs) 07:04, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Description ListsEdit

Hey! I was wondering if there is any wiki markup for description lists. Any help is appreciated. Thanks! --I8086 (discusscontribs) 22:31, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Use ; and :


Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 23:57, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! --I8086 (discusscontribs) 01:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

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Special:Statistics says we have 20,077 content pages at the moment. Towards the end of March of this year, about a month ago, we had nearly 28,000 pages: [1]. Have more than seven thousand content pages been deleted recently? James500 (discusscontribs) 17:50, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

The deletion log Special:Log/delete shows just less than 500 deletions for the past month. It would take about 230 deletions for 30 days to account for the difference. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 22:09, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
According to, the previous count up to 23 August 2014 was 26,930. I do remember seeing some 26,000 fairly recently. Something may be up with the special statistics all pages counter. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 23:30, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
If the number of deletions is too small to account for the apparent reduction in the number of "content pages" by 7,888 since March 21, could it be explained by pages being moved out of the mainspace to another namespace, or by mainspace pages being blanked and redirected? James500 (discusscontribs) 02:07, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Something like that I believe is occurring. We host a number of courses from several colleges and universities. The students create files and content pages that may remain outside our content space while in use. Then when the course is over a bot (I'm guessing here) returns them to mainspace. The files that do not have proper licensing appear in Category:Pending deletions. These have been showing up at about 50 a week for awhile now. I usually delete as many as I can. Dave may know more about this. If the bot has removed some content pages as if in a course it may have a bug in it. But, I'm just guessing. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 02:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
The total number of pages has remained consistent (162,593 -> 163,338). It would seem that content pages is no longer counting some namespace that was included in the past. We would need access to the variable indicated at mw:Manual:Article count to know what is included. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 02:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Following up on Dave's suggestion I found this: "MediaWiki 1.26 is currently being developed. Consult the RELEASE-NOTES file for the full list of changes. It is currently deployed on Wikimedia Foundation wikis through incremental "wmf"-branches starting April 08, 2015." MediaWiki 1.25 was deployed last year in September and doesn't come online fully until May 25, 2015, which is too soon to be responsible for the change in content pages. I'll look at mw:MediaWiki 1.26 release notes to see what's going on. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 02:55, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
MediaWiki 1.26 implements a content page search using whether a resource page contains at least one link versus earlier version(s), still checking on this, that look for commas. 1992 Cuba earthquake contains commas but no links. It may not be counted as a content page currently. So I will test that. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 15:23, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Here's a time sequence:

  1. 20,087 at 15:32
  2. 20,087 at 15:38
  3. link edited to 1992 Cuba earthquake at 15:40
  4. 20,087 at 15:41
  5. 20,087 at 15:50
  6. 20,089 at 15:57
  7. 20,089 at 17:01

Problem: looking through Recent changes, it appears all the other changes involve adding links to pages that already have links and commas. I can't account for a change of two. --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 17:18, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I believe I may have found the answer. We have a special page called, Special:LonelyPages. These are "The following pages are not linked from or transcluded into other pages in Wikiversity." A-Level Mechanics - Vectors is the first one. If you click on "Page information" while on that page from the left column, what you don't see is "Counted as a content page Yes". The category does not say how many there are, but there are 500 between A-Level Mechanics - Vectors and Coffee house. Including these and for the rest of the alphabet there could easily be between 4,000 and 8,000 such pages. Since I have linked to A-Level Mechanics - Vectors from here, it may now show up as a content page. If so try the next one. What do you think? --Marshallsumter (discusscontribs) 01:47, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

OpenStax College using Wikiversity Quizzes? An opportunity to collaborate.Edit

Does anybody know anything about editing PDF files? In the past, OpenStax College has hosted practice quizzes through Learningpod.1  Unfortunately, the future of this support is uncertain.2   Wikiversity might be able to fill the gap, but unfortunately our quizzes are rendered with undesirable page gaps. For a discussion of this, see (and perhaps edit):



--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 13:17, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

It's not an open solution (and doesn't directly answer your question), but my approach is to use existing content to make a course management system test bank and use the CMS for real-world student testing. It is relatively easy to convert printed content into a format that can be uploaded into a CMS exam pool. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:08, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
@Dave Braunschweig: I think you solved my problem. There is no need for the entire testbank to be open source. It is not only sufficient, but better if only some of the test questions are open source. Is there a standard CMS testbank format that everybody follows? Who sponsors the software that creates these tests? I am trying to Google it right now, but can't seem to find a good set of search words. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 16:52, 27 April 2015 (UTC) Adding two links that answer my question:

Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 17:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Our institution uses Blackboard. I've experimented with Moodle, and taken five courses as a student on Moodle. I prefer Blackboard. Blackboard is not open source, but it is available publicly for free with an unlimited number of students at The exam pool import format is tab-separated text. I create them in Excel, usually with a copy and paste and then an Excel macro that moves the typically vertical exam content into the horizontal column format required for upload. It's a little bit of work, but not at all overwhelming. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 21:49, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
An already available ("standard") CMS testbank system is the way to go, if it can be done. The problem is tricky because I need a high level programming language to calculate random numbers to insert into the questions and the answers. This can be done using Matlab (or Python?) to generate many lines of text (for many versions of each question). This forces me to use a Latex-like procedure for writing equations, while most testbuilders use menu-driven equation writing methods. And then there is the problem of images. It turns out that Wikipedia's quizzes are almost uniquely suited for this job ... except for the page break problem.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 00:24, 28 April 2015 (UTC)


YesY Done with help from at least three people, I found a way to create user-friendly quiz banks on Wikiversity. See OpenStax College, as well as this solution to the pagebreak problem. --Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 15:45, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

OpenStax College quizzes: Where should we put them?Edit

I need to rewrite all the quizzes in Physics equations to fix the page break problem and have many reasons for not keeping them in the namespace "Physics equations":

  1. The quizzes were cluttering up Physics equations. In the future "Physics equations" will focus solely on the equations
  2. I need a simple consistent namespace because I my tentative plan is to make transclusions to those quizzes. The transclusions will allow me to make multiple versions of a chapter quizzes, midterms, and the final exam without having to copy the quiz over and over again.

I was thinking of Quizbank with subpages like Quizbank/phy (for physics), Quizbank/ast (for astronomy) the short names will facilitate transclusion. We have plans this summer to work on Quizbank/htw and Quizbank/egr for two other courses (engineering thermodydamics and "how things work")

I will start with these pages, but will be creating only a small number of pages for a few days as I get the codewriting software set up. That gives us time to reflect on these choices of namespace names.--Guy vandegrift (discusscontribs) 10:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Either Quizbank or Testbank and then the subject, or the subject and then Quizbank or Testbank. Since Physics and astronomy is one school here, I'm not sure there's an advantage to having Quizbank by itself unless we are confident other areas will use this model. I personally would go with the topic/Testbank as being easier to manage as a learning project, while maintaining flexibility for different subjects. I would use the term Testbank because that's the term I see every publisher use, and makes the content easier for others to locate.
Regarding the note at Quizbank that mentions using cryptic numbers for subpages, that is one option. But I don't think it adds value. Anyone can search any page here for any key word that would lead them to the questions if they look for them. Google indexes anything in main space. We could create a different namespace if we want, but that only addresses the Google issue, not the local search. Also, security by obscurity is no security. It's like locking a screen door. Anyone that wants to can still walk in.
A more effective approach to assessment is to simply have open tests and an overwhelming bank of questions to choose from. I give weekly 10-question quizzes based on 40 to 50 question test banks, and 50-question final exams based on 600-800 question test banks. I give students access to the entire test bank, typically in a different form (either fill-in-the-blank or Quizlet). I'm not worried in the least that they might memorize all 600 questions. Instead, I'd be thrilled, because they will have thoroughly mastered the material.
To validate that this approach is effective, I have followed up my final exams with third-party certification exams. Last year, my course that uses Windows Server Administration had 16 students. 15 passed the actual certification exam the course targets, and one missed by one question. From a validation standpoint, that's exactly what I'd like to see. The certification is hard enough that not all make it, but the materials are good enough that almost everyone is prepared.
So, feel free to obscure the content if you believe it adds value. But I'd rather go with open content and enough different forms of the quizzes that students would have to memorize so much as to have truly mastered the content in order to 'cheat'. -- Dave Braunschweig (discusscontribs) 14:13, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Having a generic quizbank resource, as described, may be possible. I don't like what the process described would do to mainspace, and the non-informative page names. rather, I'd suggest a generic resource that is about how to set up a quizbank. The actual quizbanks, topic-focused, would be subpages of the topic resource, and so the resource would be standalone, that way. If, later, the idea is to create a WikiBook, as an example, that resource is ready for transwiki, and doesn't need other stuff moved. (For this reason, I also prefer to see local templates instead of using Template namespace for what is specific to a resource.)
Notice that quizbanks could become very large, with some content only being held in history, with a list of versions that could be selectively enabled. (History is not searchable!) Transwiki can (and generally should) include all page history. A creative user could set up a process with high flexibility. --Abd (discusscontribs) 15:35, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Pages that should be deleted after no improvements (prod)Edit

So as I've been spying recent changes, not editing (I've been here btw), i found pages that have been proposed for deletion, and in the 90 days, haven't been improved. Some of these pages have been listed at Category:Proposed deletions, some of those pages are...:

So I'm guessing that an administrator is going to delete these pages, or someone can improve these pages before an admin comes and looks at these pages. Thanks. --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 16:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, the whole point of speedy deletion and proposed deletion is to avoid discussion.... Yes, pages that have been prodded will generally be deleted after 90 days, if nobody objects by removing the tag. Any user may object and remove the tag. Or, later, finding a page deleted, any user may request it be undeleted, and normally it will be, at least for review. If disagreement remains, then there is Wikiversity:Requests for deletion. So, to see what's going on here:
  • Wikiversity:Frequently_visited_pages starts by mentioning a tool that does not exist any more. The page had not been edited since 2007, except for Marshall prodding it. There was an unanswered question on the attached talk page in 2008. Little, if anything, is lost by deletion, and there are other pages or lists that show visit frequencies. Not surprised nobody removed the prod. Some substantial cleanup is needed for this to be properly deleted.
  • American Sign Language was created by IP, with a strange edit summary. It's a stub, and the only function appears to be to turn a couple of redlinks blue, which may actually suppress resource creation. Atcovi, if you think this should stay, you have the option of removing the prod. Another option would be to replace it with a new one, resetting the 90 days. However, I'm going to move that page to be a subpage of Sign language (which already links to it), and I'll yank the prod and do a little cleanup. Ah. Sign language may be a copy of the Wikipedia article. I may stub it, creating a space and structure where WV work can be done on sign language resources. Not right now, though.
  • Film workspace basically nothing. A small amount of cleanup needed, to remove the only incoming link. --Abd (discusscontribs) 00:10, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

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